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optimists
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07-09-2009, 11:40 AM
Post subject: Flopped middle set, folded on turn... was it right?
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Russia
Posts: 10
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Sorry if this sounds stupid to you, I am new to this, just needed to confirm that I made a right or wrong decision..
Playing $0.05/$0.10 NL holdem.
BB ($4) - weak/ agressive player
MP ($7) - tight one
Position ($9.5) - myself
Others are irrelevant as they folded pre-flop.
MP raises to $0.40
Position calls and BB calls. The flop is as following:
Kh9s7d
BB checks, MP checks, Position bets $0.6 (everyone calls)
Turn goes Tc, BB checks, MP checks, Position bets $1.5
BB raises all--in, MP re-raises all-in, now the pot is approximately $11 with $3.5 to call and I fold putting MP on QJ or KK.
Showdown:
BB shows 65c, MP wins the pot with 7s7h.
I held 99 :oops: . Please share your thoughts.
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Sir Pawnalot
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Norway
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It is correct to have QJ and KK in villains range, but it doesnt constitute the whole of his range. You need to be very sure his range is that tight before folding here.
Personally, I need very strong information before ever folding here.
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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you know he would probably go all in with 77 as well, I mean it's a set
he would probably also go all in with KT, and possibly T9 and AA
lots of hands you beat
especially since BB is a weak player that will bluff with random crap
also, if the pot is $11 and it costs you $3.5 to call, you don't need to win even half of the time, I think one quarter of the time or so and your call is justified
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Sir Pawnalot
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He folded
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A foolish man learns nothing from his mistakes.
A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot
He folded
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I know he folded
I meant a call is justified when you make it even if you don't win most of the time
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killerkebab
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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You're calling 3.5 into 14.5, you need to win here about 1/4 times. Add that to the fact that you'll win here a lot more often than 1 in 4 times and its an easy call.
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optimists
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Russia
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Yeah, thanks for commenting. Sounds like folding was a bad idea after all
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I think it's most important to think about why it was a bad idea.
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surviva316
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your sn grandly betrays your poker playing style
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mr.duvall25
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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dude mmmmmm yah should have called... kinda tuff spot at this stake u call with every set almost.. if your bankroll is over 20 bi'ns. again no one is perfect nor is poker! oh if bb and mp where to fold your flop bet u would have no value.. if u would of checked behind and shoved the flop BB folds after your raise and mp calls down if they where to check the turn too..... then u have to bet there... or check behind for a trap again hehe pokers crazy peace..
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Sir Pawnalot
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by mr.duvall25
dude mmmmmm yah should have called... kinda tuff spot at this stake u call with every set almost.. if your bankroll is over 20 bi'ns. again no one is perfect nor is poker! oh if bb and mp where to fold your flop bet u would have no value.. if u would of checked behind and shoved the flop BB folds after your raise and mp calls down if they where to check the turn too..... then u have to bet there... or check behind for a trap again hehe pokers crazy peace.. |
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A smart man learns only from his own mistakes.
A wise man learns from his own mistakes, and those of the smart man and the fool.
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b1eedb1ack
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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Everyone hit the mark.
Essentially you're playing against MP, since BB has been stated to be relatively weak & aggressive. You have his range crushed almost always here, I would think. MP raises preflop & gets two calls. Reasonably safe to assume you have his range correct, partially. Ako+, 66-88. With him being as tight as you make it seem, I don't see there being any chance he has Q/J here. Doesn't bet here, thinking he has the nuts & is counting on your cbet. Again, relating to the "tightness," that's how they all play this hand. Small bet (or limp), check, call, check, re-raise. It's clockwork. I just think with KK he has to be the aggressor. In my eyes you're killing 100% of his range.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20. Piecing the hand together is so much easier when you already know the results.
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beerman69
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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its always easier for me to say easy call after the fact but with those pot odds is seems like a no brainer
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HarleyGuy13
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Optimist welcome to FTR. Only comment I have is don't post the results as they aren't really relevent. Post upto the decision and let ppl take it from there with their advice.
I think you know by now folding was a mistake.
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