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drtofu66

04-10-2006, 03:53 AM Post subject: Flopped a 9 high flush

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I'm posting this in the beginner's section because this is a pretty basic hand and I'm not sure if I'm using Pokerstove correctly.

The raise preflop is questionable, I know. I was shifting gears and I didn't want to open limp. But I do like a raise here to chase out the suited K/A-rag hands (though at the 25NL level does it accomplish even that?).

Villain is 23%/1.5%/3.33 over 130 hands. WtSD 5.4%. Of those hands I've only seen her/him turn over 2 hands-- AKo and 32o in the BB.

I underbet the flop, I realize. I should've bet closer to $1.50. My question here is how do you protect this hand without getting stacked by a bigger made flush (is that worth considering?)? Call and hope for the one outer? Pot-sized reraise or go AI here? I'm thinking I'm ahead here. The range for the villain here is huge-- any PP 33-AA, AhKh, maybe KhQ. I'm thinking s/he's got a set here. [I have player chat turned off but in going back into the HH, the villain said that s/he had 2 pair. I don't believe that, but for those who enjoy player chat...]

Here's Pokerstove for most of that range (am I using Pokerstove correctly?):
70,290 games 0.016 secs 4,393,125 games/sec

Board: 4h 5h 6h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 81.5756 % 81.53% 00.05% { 9h8h }
Hand 2: 18.4244 % 18.38% 00.05% { 33+, AhKh, KhQh, AcKh, AdKh, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AsKh, KcQh, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KhQs, KsQh }

So, according to Pokerstove I'm way ahead (provided I didn't undershoot the villain's range) and should reraise?

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MP3 ($24.25)
CO ($17.60)
Button ($48.32)
SB ($19.04)
BB ($24.25)
UTG ($20.55)
UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($35.95)
Hero ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8

, 9

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Button calls $0.75, 2 folds.

Flop: ($1.85) 5

, 6

, 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.11, Button raises to $2.23

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Pelion

04-10-2006, 09:55 AM

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You raised PF so you have to get it allin on the flop if you can. He'll give you credit for just the A

and defend his overpair/set to the death. Or if he has a set, hell think you are trying to protect your KK before another heart comes down. Eitherway get it in there.

If you get it allin and he turns over A

then take some notes and move on.

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drtofu66

04-10-2006, 12:00 PM

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Good. I did push and he folded after thinking using up almost all of his time.

jackvance

04-10-2006, 12:56 PM

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After his raise the pot is $5.19. I'd probably reraise him another $9-$10 here. He will be doubtful you have the flush, since you raised preflop, which is typically "powercards".

My reasoning here would be that all-in basically means that he'll only call with a higher flush (since the pot vs the stacks difference is too big), while with a 2x pot raise you give him some incentive to call with a lesser hand, while at the same time giving a possible chase with Ah very bad pot odds.

If he then pushes, you take it. If he calls, you push the turn no matter what. The only possible downside in this approach that I can see, as opposed to pushing all-in straight away, is that he can call with Ah and hit his 1/6 chance to see the heart on the turn. Regardless, he payed more than the odds gave him chance anyway, and the benefit here is that he will be a lot more inclined to accept with something like a set. This means on average you should make more money doing it this way.

(the case that he has Ah or Kh or whatever, seems a bit unlikely.. he would call in that case probably, not reraise you on the flop. It seems more like he has hit something strong like a set, or he has overpair, and wants to get YOU off of a possible perceived chase. So you probably win; hence I'd build up the all-in with a 2x pot reraise first)

Pelion

04-10-2006, 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

My reasoning here would be that all-in basically means that he'll only call with a higher flush

hell call with a set and alot of overpairs too.

Having said that I didnt mean just straight up push. I want to get allin here, but I also want him allin. Id reraise to $10 ish and call in a second if he pushes. I think if you reraise to $10 there are alot of hands he will push with.

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jackvance

04-10-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelion

Having said that I didnt mean just straight up push. I want to get allin here, but I also want him allin. Id reraise to $10 ish and call in a second if he pushes. I think if you reraise to $10 there are alot of hands he will push with.

Yep, that's the gist of my whole explanation. You raise $9-$10 here and with overpair or set you'll have a good chance he'll push.

givememyleg

04-10-2006, 02:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

If you get it allin and he turns over A

then take some notes and move on.

Unless the 7

comes of course

I would raise as well, how would you feel is another

lands on the turn if you flat call?

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04-10-2006, 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

how would you feel if another

lands on the turn if you flat call?

pretty shit.

Dont ever flat call here

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drtofu66

04-10-2006, 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

Yep, that's the gist of my whole explanation. You raise $9-$10 here and with overpair or set you'll have a good chance he'll push.

Thanks, guys! Flop betting is a problem for me and this really helps.

So, reraise $9-10 and push if the turn comes non-heart (except the 7h)and doesn't pair the board. If the board pairs up or a heart comes, though-- do we check/fold?

What if the turn brings the magical 1 outer for the nuts-- do we lead or check and hope they bet?

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