flop the world deepish

**daven** · 05-22-2012 10:54 AM

re open pfr, ask bikes if you disagree
as per postflop, turn sizing? villain is kinda aggro bad 24-13, i'm spew loose 28-23-9 on this table and that's our history.
we have 400 hands - so he may have me more 25-19-5

$0.10/$0.25 Ante $0.05 No Limit Holdem
7 Players
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Stacks:
daven (UTG) ($127.90)
UTG+1 ($60.32)
MP ($40.83)
CO ($70.46)
BTN ($26.59)
SB ($37.95)
BB ($25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.70, 7 players) daven is UTG

daven raises to $0.90, UTG+1 calls $0.90, MP calls $0.90, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.90, 2 folds

Flop:

($4.30, 4 players)
daven bets $3, 1 fold, MP calls $3, BTN calls $3

Turn:

($13.30, 3 players)
daven bets $23 ...

**Icanhastreebet** · 05-22-2012 12:57 PM

I probably do this with bluffs but never the nuts because everyone is scared as f deep. 3.75 flop because we should be betting huge 4way on this flop anyway. 12 turn. Decide on rivers what to do.

**rpm** · 05-23-2012 06:39 AM

is our bad aggro villain in position or in the middle? you gave info on one player, however we are still 3-handed on the turn.

i think as a default i'd just bet like $10.5-11.5 so i have the option of jamming rivers vs the deeper stack if i want to. i personally don't really get the point in overbetting unless you have a no-foldem whale who you need to overbet against to get the money in.

**Icanhastreebet** · 05-23-2012 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by rpm

is our bad aggro villain in position or in the middle? you gave info on one player, however we are still 3-handed on the turn.

i think as a default i'd just bet like $10.5-11.5 so i have the option of jamming rivers vs the deeper stack if i want to. i personally don't really get the point in overbetting unless you have a no-foldem whale who you need to overbet against to get the money in.

There's tonnes of spots where overbetting is >>> betting any other amount. One clear cut example that comes to mind without history or specific reads is overbetting NFDs and the such to get looser villains to fold weaker parts of their range but still continue with the parts that will pay us off the times we do bink at which point the pot is now huge. Ezgame.

**rpm** · 05-24-2012 04:20 AM

yeah sorry i meant in this particular spot. i can't imagine being called down by anything other than chops/T7 in this spot given how much strength we are repping. i just feel the greater % calls we get when we bet 4/5 pot or whatever will yield a higher EV than over-betting and only getting action from the top of their ranges.

05-22-2012 10:54 AM #1
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,089 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	flop the world deepish re open pfr, ask bikes if you disagree as per postflop, turn sizing? villain is kinda aggro bad 24-13, i'm spew loose 28-23-9 on this table and that's our history. we have 400 hands - so he may have me more 25-19-5 $0.10/$0.25 Ante $0.05 No Limit Holdem 7 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: daven (UTG) ($127.90) UTG+1 ($60.32) MP ($40.83) CO ($70.46) BTN ($26.59) SB ($37.95) BB ($25) Pre-Flop: ($0.70, 7 players) daven is UTG daven raises to $0.90, UTG+1 calls $0.90, MP calls $0.90, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.90, 2 folds Flop: ($4.30, 4 players) daven bets $3, 1 fold, MP calls $3, BTN calls $3 Turn: ($13.30, 3 players) daven bets $23 ...
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05-22-2012 12:57 PM #2
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	I probably do this with bluffs but never the nuts because everyone is scared as f deep. 3.75 flop because we should be betting huge 4way on this flop anyway. 12 turn. Decide on rivers what to do.

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05-23-2012 06:39 AM #3
rpm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 2,839 Location maaaaaaaaaaate	is our bad aggro villain in position or in the middle? you gave info on one player, however we are still 3-handed on the turn. i think as a default i'd just bet like $10.5-11.5 so i have the option of jamming rivers vs the deeper stack if i want to. i personally don't really get the point in overbetting unless you have a no-foldem whale who you need to overbet against to get the money in.

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05-23-2012 01:43 PM #4
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	Originally Posted by rpm is our bad aggro villain in position or in the middle? you gave info on one player, however we are still 3-handed on the turn. i think as a default i'd just bet like $10.5-11.5 so i have the option of jamming rivers vs the deeper stack if i want to. i personally don't really get the point in overbetting unless you have a no-foldem whale who you need to overbet against to get the money in. There's tonnes of spots where overbetting is >>> betting any other amount. One clear cut example that comes to mind without history or specific reads is overbetting NFDs and the such to get looser villains to fold weaker parts of their range but still continue with the parts that will pay us off the times we do bink at which point the pot is now huge. Ezgame.

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05-24-2012 04:20 AM #5
rpm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 2,839 Location maaaaaaaaaaate	yeah sorry i meant in this particular spot. i can't imagine being called down by anything other than chops/T7 in this spot given how much strength we are repping. i just feel the greater % calls we get when we bet 4/5 pot or whatever will yield a higher EV than over-betting and only getting action from the top of their ranges.

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