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Robb
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11-01-2008, 03:05 PM
Post subject: Flat Calls - no hablo donk-laise
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4-of-a-Kind
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Question: what is the micro-donk flatting range, other than the obvious limp/calling range of pp's and sc's?
I suck at poker, for sure, but I don't limp or flat call much. So when it comes to thinking about cold calling ranges that are wide (say > 10%), I'm lost.
When a player flat calls PFR's 20%+ (I've seen 40% several times lately), what types of hands are you putting in there? Do the fish all school around certain types of hands, or is there wide variation?
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What are we supposed to know the players in your game?
Put crap like Axs, Kxs, Qxs, any offsuit connectors, any two suited connectors/one/two gappers
and so forth
some of those will be played by some of the players
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Robb
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Originally Posted by iopq
What are we supposed to know the players in your game?
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Nah, but generally I form ranges starting with what I would do or what I think a reasonable player would do. Since I don't flat call much (say, 6% ish), I really get lost trying to form a range for some donk who flats a third of the time. Just looking for some help on what y'all think.
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Ragnar4
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A) Figgure out what you think a Donk would re-raise with, all the time.
B) Put these hands into pokerstove, and look to see what percent of hands this number representents. (IE 10%) This is your new zero.
C) Continue adding the best hands on down, favoring hands that can make flushes and straights over pure garbage.
D) Once you get to 33% +x% where x the % of hands you're positive they would re-raise you with in any situaiton.
E) Delete the X% of hands from pokerstove range (I heavily suggest using the chart
F) Congratulations, you now have an idea of what your opponents calling range is.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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JKDS
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their flatting is the obvious sc pps, regardless if they limped, as well as over cards and especially suited overcards. 2-10nl peeps looooove to call a raise with KTs.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by JKDS
their flatting is the obvious sc pps, regardless if they limped, as well as over cards and especially suited overcards. 2-10nl peeps looooove to call a raise with KTs.
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LoL that you put KTs, the hand that got me thinking was AA on a KTx flop against ...
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KTo
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JKDS
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Zel
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I just know for me, I've lost against J2 three times in my life and tilted losing to K3.
One time with two pair going against J2 in limit holdem with made the person hitting the 2 on the river to a preflop raise.
Another time My pocket Ks lost to someone with J2 and made pair 2 during my shove, who flopped the J on the river.
Same situation against K3 when I held top pair.
Donks call anything. Just make sure you know their ranges and to catch them when you have the best expected value hands. If your bankroll is big enough, you can take a few cold losses.
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nutsinho
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i cant remember the last time i folded KTs to an open raise at 6max
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kmind
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i cant remember the last time i folded KTs to an open raise at 6max
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Alright something I have been wanting to go over for a little. Are you calling with KTs because most of YOUR villains are raising shit like 65s in which we can pwn them flush wise/whatever as well as take them off their hand with bluffs and also knowing that if we flop a T or K we can get to a showdown cheaply and usually be good?
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