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xpaand
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05-11-2009, 07:33 PM
Post subject: Fish bluffed me?
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 289
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This fish was doing stuff like min raising KK, calling all-in on the turn with TPGK and PF flat calling everything. I raised with the intention of everyone folding and him flatting my PFR. I couldn't see him having a hand that was much better than mine, but I couldn't call with air like that. And as I'm typing this I folded KQo. 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP3) ($11.72)
CO ($3)
Button ($2.28)
SB ($6.40)
BB ($10.45)
UTG ($3.66)
UTG+1 ($1.95)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($6.41)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , Q
UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.35, 5 folds, MP2 calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.87) 2, 5, 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, MP2 calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.47) 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.50, MP2 raises to $5.26 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $5.47 | Rake: $0.25
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
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dragntail
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 21
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Probably not +EV trying to bluff a calling station. I can't see you calling the turn C/R AI here with air. Next time take him to value town with a solid hand.
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AdamThePirate
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Manchester
Posts: 142
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double barrelling with air is not profitable at $5nl imo, and I say he has you crushed.
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,072
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Good fold without more of a read. You want SOME value to look up what's a pretty obvious bluff. Like TT. Calling with 66 would be absolutely sick. Oh, well, find some value and stack him next time.
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Vinland
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Between a couple of points.
Posts: 610
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You said part of your reads is that he was calling all ins and flatting. The fact that he has changed gears and is pushing rather than just calling tells me your KQ is probably no good here.
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I confess in quicksand
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,072
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Fish love the overshove bluff, fwiw. Still, it's a fold. Get a read. Get a stack.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
Posts: 4,240
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I'd never think a smallbet/call flop then c/r turn line is a bluff unless I had a solid read. His range is all over the place preflop so flop can hit it and when he calls your raise he has something and the 7 helped his range a ton. We can't really represent much vs. fish a lot of the times so it's usually better just to play your hand and go for value unless we have a huge read he'll put a lot of money in and fold.
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Keith
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,336
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since he's calling pf with anything wouldn't it be better to check behind the turn since he could well have hit a part of this flop with his range so wide and hope to hit your K or Q on the river?
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I don't care, he could have 66 and still be crushing you
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