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Old 12-12-2007, 01:04 AM     Post subject: First 10K hands. How bad do I suck? #1 (permalink)  
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Finally reached 10K hands in Poker Tracker! Big milestone for me, although my last 5K hands seem like I sucked really bad. Started off pretty good, playing mostly 25NL like an extreme nit and winning nicely. My last 5K hands have been very up and down. I don't feel like I've played any different that I started out, but maybe I getting frustrated and playing a few too many hands out of position.

I'm getting burned lately, pretty much every other decent hand I play. Jacks run into trips on the turn, AK runs into AJ who hits 2 pair, etc. etc. Good hands just get beaten by better hands.

It's way too early for me to say whether I'm that bad or i'm just getting a really bad run of cards. I'll play another 10K hands, and see how I do.

Any suggestions how to not get frustrated after so many hands getting cracked? Keep playing like a nit? When my high pocket pair runs into a lower pocket pair that trip up, I find it difficult to get away from, especially at these low limits. I dropped down to 5NL just to see what would happen (LOL. must be on glue)

My nemesis has to be AJo, in all positions! Can't seem to play that hand for the life of me!.

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Old 12-12-2007, 01:44 AM #2 (permalink)  
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My nemesis has to be AJo, in all positions! Can't seem to play that hand for the life of me!.
If it gives you lots of trouble I would dump playing the hand in early to mid position and only play it in the cutoff or the button.

It really doesn't flop to well and is beat easily by a lot of hands
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:53 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Good job dude. You're running and playing well. Your stats are a little loose for full ring, but at the micro limits being loose isn't too big of a problem if you can play postflop. 10 handed? Wow I think I would die of boredom. You are open limping a lot of hands UTG, looks like more than just pairs. Are you limping like AJ/AQ instead of raising?

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Old 12-12-2007, 01:59 AM #4 (permalink)  
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the first thing i will say is...damn, you are passive! your AF is really low, imo. your S$WSF is, too. and your W$SD is fine, but youre not taking too much to the river, which is good, but maybe even that is low. i'll be interested in other opinions here, for sure.

i cant complain with the winnings so far, but passivity is a slow bleed to death, imo.

but, that is what i've run into myself lately. have the games become uber-aggro?....with everyone overplaying everything? i, myself, am prolly guilty. if so, this is the current adjustment to make (you almost always want to play the opposite of the table, imo)...just play good hands, open your pockets, and let the spewtards pour the money in.

i am guessing you dont know what a semi-bluff is, or a cbet. i'm, of course, being sarcastic. i bet, though, you rarely use them.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 looks like your probably limping too many hands but is working. Try to focus on not open limping so much and raise a few of the hands your limping in LP.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:33 AM #6 (permalink)  
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but, that is what i've run into myself lately. have the games become uber-aggro?....with everyone overplaying everything? i, myself, am prolly guilty. if so, this is the current adjustment to make (you almost always want to play the opposite of the table, imo)...just play good hands, open your pockets, and let the spewtards pour the money in.
If you pick proper spot to make a well timed check/weak bet, then it may release an avalanche of money instead of fold-fold-fold (if you bet the pot).

"Monkey checked to monkey bets" is pretty standard these days.
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Old 12-12-2007, 05:02 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Thanks for all the input guys. Appreciate it

I would agree open limping is a problem for me, and I'll tell you why I'm struggling with it. Low pocket pairs! In early position what do you do with pocket 8's and lower in the first 3 seats? If your playing LAG, then raising with these hands is fine because your going to be pushing hard after the flop. Playing nitty, your looking to flop a set otherwise you're done with the hand. I'm finding that I'm not hitting the set often enough limping in early position to justify playing them, and I don't like raising with the weaker pairs out of position, because what happens is you raise preflop and check fold after the flop to overcards / aggression.

As for the aggression factor, it's a combination of limping too much with hands like low pocket pairs, suited connectors, and Ax suited. I'm not flopping well to these hands and I'm getting creamed. In late position, I occasionally raise with these hands, looking to steal the blinds, or take it down with a c-bet. My c-bets are getting called way too much for my liking as well. I'm getting check raised all over the place.

Some call with hands like 94o or 32o against a 4xbb raise pf, and it comes a low flop, I think my top pair hand is good, and raise and get reraised! Am I playing so nitty the fish know it?

For example (of course in this example I don't have a pair, but I still call it a top pair hand):

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($9.09)
UTG+1 ($2.05)
MP1 ($31.81)
MP2 =#A500AF(Villain)/ ($8.35)
MP3 ($1.99)
CO ($1.81)
Hero ($9.64)
SB ($12.65)
BB ($2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP2 =#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.40, MP2 =#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.65) 2, 3, 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Villain checks, Hero bets $1, UTG folds, Villain raises to $2.5, Hero calls $9.64 (All-In), Villain calls $8.35 (All-In).

Turn: ($22.93) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($22.93) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $22.93

Results in white below:
Villain has 2s 3s (two pair, threes and twos).
Hero has Ac Ks (high card, ace).
Outcome: Villain wins $23.14.

Again, thanks for the input.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:22 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 Fold to that c/r man. The push is very bad. You can't have a top pair hand without first having a pair!

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Old 12-12-2007, 07:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 your results are encouraging, seems your beating the games.
Id like to see your pfr hit half of your vpip minimum eg raise more is position etc which will force your agg factor up on flopand turn.
YOur stats are very standard for someone beating microlimit games, so keep up the good work and make the improvements.
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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heres something i just realized last night.

in your AK hand, yes, fold to the c/r. if feels like "they are just playing back at me," and THEY ARE...they just dont do it w/o the goods.

that hand looks like it cant have helped him much, either, but thats why it worked. he knows most people open raise with high cards, so he plays low in that situation. he knows they will cbet, so he c/r's when he hits. its not too expensive for him to miss...the cost of your normal raise. and, he gets paid off big when he hits. not just against you, but all the other tighter players, too, that havent seen him do this. i hope you made a note of him, and will watch out the next time.

i heard a guy last night tell the table, "dont worry about him. he plays 4 tables at once. just wait for him to bet big on a low flop and call him down." that was the DUMBEST thing that guy could have said to the table.

he was talking to someone else, about someone else, but he gave the goods to me, too.

he who says microstakes donks cant adjust/dont pay attention, is clearly fooling himself. they arent very good players, but they do adjust.
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Old 12-16-2007, 02:54 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I realize now why I've been doing so crappy over the last couple thousand hands. I was playing extreme nit and just getting the money in with the best of it. Now that's not happening anymore. Guess it's time to start playing some poker.
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I realize now why I've been doing so crappy over the last couple thousand hands. I was playing extreme nit and just getting the money in with the best of it. Now that's not happening anymore. Guess it's time to STOP playing some poker, and go back to being a nit.
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