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Keith

04-09-2009, 11:37 PM Post subject: First 1000 hands at 10NL

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ok , so I just finished my session at 10NL FR and checked my stats on poker tracker and was amused to see that I had done 1000 hands and the net result for that 1000 hands .

This was the final major leap in my results .UTG+1 was 43/18 and CO was 46/21 and they had both been very aggressive and I finished the session on 11/6
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.65)
SB ($6.95)
BB ($14.80)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($9.45)
MP1 ($9.20)
Hero (MP2) ($10)
CO ($8.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4

, 4

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10, CO bets $0.40, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.35) 3

, 2

, 4

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10, CO calls $1.10

Turn: ($4.65) 7

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $1, Hero calls $1, CO raises to $2.40, UTG+1 calls $1.40, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($11.85) 9

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $5.55 (All-In), Hero calls $5.55, CO calls $4.30 (All-In)

Total pot: $27.25 | Rake: $1.30

Results in white below:
UTG+1 had 8

, A

(high card, Ace).
Hero had 4

, 4

(three of a kind, fours).
CO mucked J

, J

(one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $25.95

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bigspenda73

04-09-2009, 11:41 PM

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that hand is pretty poorly played

what was your thought process?

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04-09-2009, 11:54 PM

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Don't post graphs or stats for 1000 hand samples, it's meaningless.

Just post the HH's and get some feedback.

As for the hand raise postlfop somewhere, preferably the flop. If CO likes his hand he's going to go with it anyway, and UTG+1's range is probably heavily weighted towards a big pair or broadway overcards with a flush draw by the limp/call/lead big into 2 opponents in a raised pot on that flop. Raise! These guys likely won't be able to let go of an overpair and for sure a big draw is going all the way. Get the money in while they're willing to put it in. If the flush card comes on the turn or river, not only will it turn your hand into a bluff, but it will probably slow them down unless they have the flush so it's better to get aggro and put the chips in. Don't worry about turning your hand face up vs anyone with a vpip over 40, playing exploitably against players like this works to your advantage. If you only ever raised a set here, they'll never notice.

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Keith

04-10-2009, 12:07 AM

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preflop: I limped to set mine, I didn't want to raise as CO had been 3betting lots of raises already and would then have taken away my 15:1 odds.

Flop: I hit the set , and from there previous play I expected CO to call the 1.10 but they may have folded to a raise.

turn: I'd seen CO previously raise on the turn twice with air when he had perceived weakness so I gave him the opportunity again.

river: I very nearly folded but took my time .I reasoned that the flush draws had missed. I didnt think CO would raise 56 preflop(as UTG+1 would likely be calling him) or that UTG+1 would call the raise with it.That left me with A5,77, and 99 beating me and that left me beating over pairs ,two pairs and Ax hands

If these players hadn't been so loose I'd have played it differently and been raising it up on the flop.

ArcadianRock

04-10-2009, 02:57 AM

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If they are uber aggressive, I would have let them bet as well, but when the guy on the turn was willing to get it all in it looks like, reraise.

Sir Pawnalot

04-10-2009, 03:27 AM

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Congratulations for pulling yourself out of that downswing.

Keep it up Keith and good luck for the next 1k hands.

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Micro2Macro

04-10-2009, 03:55 AM

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If they're so loose that's even more of a reason to raise the flop, let's get the money in before their hands improve.

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04-10-2009, 07:07 AM

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sure if they're loose let them bet. but definitely not multiway on that flop

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04-10-2009, 07:54 AM

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If you aren't at least raising the turn then god almighty

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04-10-2009, 03:37 PM

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good luck for the next 1k - keep posting hh's

for the hand posted, there's a time to stop letting them bet themselves into trouble and spring the trap - you gotta do it before you trap yourself

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04-10-2009, 09:15 PM

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I've just watched Jym's set video over at grinder school and wish I'd watched it before last nights session. To be honest , I don't think that what I've learnt would have helped in this particular hand as it would probably have ended up the same with us all all in even f I had started raising earlier.
It would help in other hands that I have played in the past where errors starting from preflop by not raising are allowing drawing hands to limp in cheaply.Having reflected on the way I played the hand during the day , I think I have to admit that I was effectively playing scared poker, partly as a result of the results in the graph , and some of those losses /folds were probably also a result of playing scared.
One thing that I have noticed is that I took Spendas comment about starting tables and adapted it so that i joined 2 or 3 handed tables and was usually up against very loose players single tabling rather than the multi multi tabling tight players inhaditing the full tables .Once there are 4 players sitting down its only a couple of hands before the table is full.

mxiu

04-10-2009, 10:02 PM

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jesus christ raise somewhere

Keith

04-11-2009, 09:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mxiu

jesus christ raise somewhere

Did you even bother to read the rest of the thread? In my reply to spenda's question about thought processes for the hand I stated why I played it that way and that if they hadn't been so loose I would have been raising the flop.
Now I'm not saying that what I did was correct , far from it and if I was playing the hand again based on the rest of the advice given in this thread and from Jyms grinderschool video on sets I'd be playing it differently.
I don't want to appear ungrateful and thanks to all the people who have advised on where my reasoning was wrong but replies like this have absolutely no educational value to help beginners improve.
The irony is that I didn't really post this hand history because I felt stuck on it but because after 1000 hand I was exactly breakeven mainly as a result of this hand.When I posted this hand where I truly was stuck I got very little feedback despite posting my immediate hands that opponents had seen and what i had seen them play to give people the image that each player had.Post a basic handhistory and stats and loads of replies.

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04-11-2009, 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxiu

jesus christ raise somewhere

Did you even bother to read the rest of the thread? In my reply to spenda's question about thought processes for the hand I stated why I played it that way and that if they hadn't been so loose I would have been raising the flop.
Now I'm not saying that what I did was correct , far from it and if I was playing the hand again based on the rest of the advice given in this thread and from Jyms grinderschool video on sets I'd be playing it differently.
I don't want to appear ungrateful and thanks to all the people who have advised on where my reasoning was wrong but replies like this have absolutely no educational value to help beginners improve.
The irony is that I didn't really post this hand history because I felt stuck on it but because after 1000 hand I was exactly breakeven mainly as a result of this hand.When I posted this hand where I truly was stuck I got very little feedback despite posting my immediate hands that opponents had seen and what i had seen them play to give people the image that each player had. Post a hand where I make an obvious and egregious error and loads of replies.

If you're really lost on how to play the other hand and need help/more feedback, bump your post by saying that.

RoyalProdigy

04-11-2009, 03:38 PM

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Just because they are really aggresive does not mean you should just call them both down. I think what some people are thinking (me included) is that you don't want multiple oponets in this senerio. Flush draw/straight possability. I understand your thaught process but you still want to protect your hand. A flat call on the flop is not the worst thing but a raise on the turn would have been better than a call IMO. But hey you went with your read and it worked. Good luck in the future!!!

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Sir Pawnalot

04-12-2009, 04:16 PM

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Am I the only one who liked the way you played that hand?

Ax straight draw has no implied odds on you.

You got very good value out of your hand. Other options is just as good, maybe better. You still get very good value from this hand by playing more aggressive.

There is always more than one profitable line. You chose a profitable line and had good reasons for slowing down.

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04-12-2009, 04:58 PM

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lol, talk about a break even day!

I would definitely be getting all of my money in on that turn though.

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