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Old 09-29-2007, 07:07 PM     Post subject: FH facing river shove #1 (permalink)  
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UTG+1 ($2.78)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($3.52)
Hero ($1.97)
CO ($5)
Button ($4.91)
SB ($2.96)
BB ($1.21)
UTG ($1.33)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K. CO posts a blind of $0.02.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.24) 3, 5, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.2, SB calls $0.20.

Turn: ($0.64) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, SB calls $0.55.

River: ($1.74) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $2.11 (All-In), Hero ???

overpairs are in his range, right? so i should call, right? (apologies if this seems so trivial)
 
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:34 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Call without blinking.
Villain's range is huge - but limited to those hands that would call a 4xbb raise pre-flop. Post-flop I guess all pairs 66+, 33, AQd, AJd maybe some suited connectors. There are only four hands you are scared of - AA, 5x, A4d, 46d. What 5x hand could villain hold to be calling your raise pre-flop - maybe 56s or54s but I doubt it. A4d or 46d is unlikely by the same reasong. So call - if you lose to quads or a straight flush then rebuy and get the chips back soon enough. For what it's worth, I put villain on 33.
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:14 PM #4 (permalink)  
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insta call. it's gambling you've got a full house what are you waiting for, a straight flush which I assume he showed?
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads.
 
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Old 09-30-2007, 12:22 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads.
that sucks. Happens. But anyone who calls a biggish pre-flop raise with 54o in the small blind is someone I want to be playing with. Well played.
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Old 09-30-2007, 11:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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as they say shiat happens. It's all aboot calculated risk and if you weren't prepared to take that one foget aboot it. A lot of times you'll call and the guy will turn over nothing AQ or AJ sometimes QQ or JJ. But with KK what can you do?
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:31 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i don't mind the result ... so much ... ok, trying not to. anyway, i take comfort that this was a must-call situation.
 
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:23 PM #9 (permalink)  
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at the 2NL level...dont ever fold this. hell, at 50NL i prolly wouldnt fold a boat...maybe higher.

overboat is rarer than overset and overflush. when you hit your boat, dont be afraid to get the money in.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:01 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Thanks, I needed to hear it from other players. The guy turned over 54o for quads.
sometimes he has it, a lot of the time he doesnt, so dont worry about paying the river.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:32 AM #11 (permalink)  
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 yeah he had it then, but most of the time he is doing that with something like a 4, 3 or 2, possibly an over pair. you have to call.
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:10 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 I think I'm the only person on this site that ever considers folding to overbet river shoves at lower stakes.

Seriously, to everyone who's suggesting that a small boat is doing this is just outside their damn minds.

What types of hands at small stakes overbet shove the river?

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What types of hands at small stakes overbet shove the river?
All sorts of muck. I could post some examples... top pair meh kicker on four cards to a straight and flush board, bottom straights on paired boards, bottom two on paired boards etc...
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:02 AM #14 (permalink)  
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yeah, overbet river shoves at low limits is just about always the nuts. This sort of hands happens with suprising frequency at low levels, SB and BB will call with anything. I wouldn't be suprised to see A5 in his range here either. This is where all your profit comes from, reload and be patient.
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