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Old 11-27-2009, 01:48 AM     Post subject: FFS bet your GD hands #1 (permalink)  
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This is mainly meant as a reminder to myself but if your new I'm sure that you can learn from this as well. The main idea behind this is to drive home the point that slow playing your monsters is a HORRIBLE idea at microstakes as you will get exactly what you want, people will call you with their shit hands because you made it cheap for them. Then they hit and you and your now losing aces are stacked.

I will add more hands to this as I see them.

Here are a few examples of this:

Hand 1 - Min betting AA from the SB, what could possibly go wrong with this right?

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Stacks:
UTG endlessdaze ($3.72)
CO melole ($1.79)
BTN liberato42 ($0.73)
SB RandalMcSweeney ($3.98)
BB argash ($6.25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) argash is BB
2 folds, liberato42 calls $0.02, RandalMcSweeney raises to $0.04, argash calls $0.02, liberato42 calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.12, 3 players)
RandalMcSweeney bets $0.04, argash calls $0.04, liberato42 calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.24, 3 players)
RandalMcSweeney bets $0.10, argash folds, liberato42 calls $0.10

River: ($0.44, 2 players)
RandalMcSweeney checks, liberato42 bets $0.44, RandalMcSweeney calls $0.44

Final Pot: $1.32
liberato42 shows a full house, Nines full of Jacks

RandalMcSweeney shows


liberato42 wins $1.24 (net +$0.62)

argash lost $0.08
RandalMcSweeney lost $0.62


Hand 2 - Don't limp with Middle pocket pair. Fold, bet or raise. Do not limp and don't cold call till you know what your doing. Had he open raised pre here he would have taken the blinds. Had he bet the flop he would have taken the blinds. Instead I got to see a free turn and make more off him on the river.

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UTG cutebrat72 ($1.24)
UTG+1 corvaceira ($2.04)
CO dwarriorp ($0.52)
BTN Snakeslyde ($2.76)
SB Freak2346 ($1.66)
BB argash ($3.86)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) argash is BB
2 folds, dwarriorp calls $0.02, 2 folds, argash checks

Flop: ($0.05, 2 players)
argash checks, dwarriorp checks

Turn: ($0.05, 2 players)
argash bets $0.05, dwarriorp calls $0.05

River: ($0.15, 2 players)
argash bets $0.15, dwarriorp calls $0.15

Final Pot: $0.45
dwarriorp shows

argash shows a full house, Twos full of Threes


argash wins $0.42 (net +$0.20)

dwarriorp lost $0.22
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:52 AM #3 (permalink)  
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This is one of the key points I learned when I started playing. I cant even count how many times my set / aces / kings got killed by a backdoor straight / flush / two pair / better set.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:19 AM #4 (permalink)  

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littleogre has a little shameless behaviour in the past
 what up with the tiny bets pre-flop and on the flop in hand 1 ?
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Old 11-27-2009, 12:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Can I just emphasise that a better reason to not slowplay at the micros than to protect your big hands from getting stacked is to actually get value from tards who will call with anything and pay you off. This is after all, the main reason these stakes are so soft.

 
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 3b - Heres a new hand 3 to replace the previous one. Here's another attempt to "trap" with rockets. Ohhhh and we have a short stacker too. So what wrong with this hand? Hmmm maybe the STUPID FUCKING MINRAISE! True story, after the hand finished the guy with the rockets spent 10 minutes berating the other player for donk calling. HOW COULD YOU CALL WITH THAT CRAP!?!?! I'll tell you how, YOU FUCKING MINRAISED!!!!

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Stacks:
UTG argash ($2)
CO Stiffy Boi ($2)
BTN id14936 ($0.88)
SB ronnuts ($0.48)
BB sanmario ($1.28)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) argash is UTG
argash folds, Stiffy Boi checks, 1 fold, ronnuts raises to $0.04, 1 fold, Stiffy Boi calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.08, 2 players)
ronnuts bets $0.04, Stiffy Boi raises to $0.08, ronnuts raises to $0.24, Stiffy Boi raises to $0.40, ronnuts goes all-in $0.44, Stiffy Boi calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0.96, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $0.96
ronnuts shows two pair, Aces and Fours

Stiffy Boi shows a flush, King high


Stiffy Boi wins $0.92 (net +$0.46)

ronnuts lost $0.48
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Old 12-06-2009, 06:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 4 - Again what could go wrong with not betting your hand?

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Stacks:
UTG inthehole77 ($0.71)
UTG+1 rezrov ($2)
CO PY2604 ($7.87)
BTN skyways2654 ($3.86)
SB OhItsHiep ($1.69)
BB argash ($2)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) argash is BB
inthehole77 checks, rezrov calls $0.02, 1 fold, skyways2654 raises to $0.10, 1 fold, argash folds, inthehole77 calls $0.08, rezrov calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.31, 3 players)
inthehole77 checks, rezrov checks, skyways2654 checks

Turn: ($0.31, 3 players)
inthehole77 checks, rezrov checks, skyways2654 checks

River: ($0.31, 3 players)
inthehole77 checks, rezrov bets $0.24, skyways2654 raises to $1.05, inthehole77 folds, rezrov calls $0.81

Final Pot: $2.41
rezrov shows three of a kind, Sixes

skyways2654 shows


rezrov wins $2.27 (net +$1.12)

inthehole77 lost $0.08
skyways2654 lost $1.15
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:20 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You need to avoid the trap in that position.
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And if you get trapped you either got to suck out or fold and live to fight another day.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:33 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Hand 5

(Hope you dont mind me posting here. )

MP+2 ( a regular limper) let me see a free flop, then let me see cards cheaply.




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CO ($0.94)
Button ($3.01)
SB ($1.98)
Hero (BB) ($4.46)
UTG ($3.83)
UTG+1 ($2.62)
MP1 ($3.13)
MP2 ($1.67)
MP3 ($3.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) J, 7, 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02

Turn: ($0.13) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02

River: ($0.19) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08

Total pot: $0.43 | Rake: $0
Main pot: $0.43 between Hero and MP2, won by Hero

Results:
Hero had 10, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
MP2 mucked K, J (two pair, Jacks and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $0.43
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:05 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Is there a point to this thread? It doesnt seem quite lockworthy, but it can probably be left to die.
Just playing to improve.
 
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:07 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:23 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Hand 6 - Nothing could possibly go wrong when slow playing KK right?

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Stacks:
UTG boatbiz ($2.13)
CO AAnteSocial ($2.24)
BTN JCarr9 ($1.28)
SB argash ($2.15)
BB chumpchangechum ($1.28)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 5 players) argash is SB
boatbiz raises to $0.08, AAnteSocial calls $0.08, JCarr9 calls $0.08, argash calls $0.07, chumpchangechum calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.40, 5 players)
argash bets $0.30, 1 fold, boatbiz raises to $0.82, 2 folds, argash goes all-in $2.07, boatbiz goes all-in $1.23

Turn: ($4.52, 2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($4.52, 2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $4.52
boatbiz shows two pair, Kings and Tens

argash shows a full house, Fours full of Tens


argash wins $4.22 (net +$2.07)

chumpchangechum lost $0.08
boatbiz lost $2.13
AAnteSocial lost $0.08
JCarr9 lost $0.08
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Old 12-09-2009, 05:24 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Bet your bad hands too....
...and your lukewarm hands
...and your pot control hands

eventually they start to catch on....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:19 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Bet your bad hands too....
...and your lukewarm hands
...and your pot control hands

eventually they start to catch on....
Do you really want to post this in the beginners forum without elaborating? It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Seems contrary to what is usually preached to noobs.
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:51 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Is there a point to this thread? It doesnt seem quite lockworthy, but it can probably be left to die.
I want the thread to continue so that we see more of Play to Win's avatar.
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Bet your bad hands too....
...and your lukewarm hands
...and your pot control hands

eventually they start to catch on....
Do you really want to post this in the beginners forum without elaborating? It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Seems contrary to what is usually preached to noobs.
Fnord's being a little bit humorous here (as is his wont). His point is that a big leak with microstakes players is being unwilling to put money into the pot and being too timid and weak, letting other players control the action.

But obviously he isn't saying that you should be bluffing every pot into stations.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:34 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Bet your good hands. But showing how some people lost some pots because they didnt bet IS NOT a valid reason. Otherwise take littleogre´s recent "brag" post, and there you have a reason for not betting your hand. I get that OPs intention is good, the conclusion is valid, but the logic is flawed. Instead, give reasons why you should bet your good hands(theyve been posted 1 million times here in the BC), otherwise this is just a results oriented post with good intentions.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:48 PM #19 (permalink)  
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Im confused why you think villian is slowplaying KK in Hand 6. He raises both preflop and on the flop. Sure, his raise preflop should be bigger. But that doesnt mean he is slowplaying..

And why are you leading that flop?
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Old 12-11-2009, 03:47 AM #20 (permalink)  
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I just bet a lot and let my opponents figure it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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Old 12-11-2009, 03:50 AM #21 (permalink)  
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Im confused why you think villian is slowplaying KK in Hand 6. He raises both preflop and on the flop. Sure, his raise preflop should be bigger. But that doesnt mean he is slowplaying..

And why are you leading that flop?
your correct. There were so many people in the hand i forgot he was the original raiser. please disregard that hand.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:14 AM #22 (permalink)  
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 Why is it all fnords comments are so cool ?

I just know he looks like his avatar in RL.
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:41 PM #23 (permalink)  
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Why is it all fnords comments are so cool ?

I just know he looks like his avatar in RL.
Fnord knows what the **** he is doing. Which puts him ahead of at least 99 percent of everyone who comments about poker on the internet (myself included).
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