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killerkebab

11-19-2008, 02:25 AM Post subject: A few spots in 25NL

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Here obviously our hand looks great, but do we beat anything here? He donks the flop so I put him on pocket pairs, but given how he plays the later streets am I wrong to assume his pair beats mine here?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flow

SB ($19.90)
BB ($34.20)
Hero (UTG) ($26.35)
UTG+1 ($42.25)
MP1 ($43.40)
MP2 ($25)
CO ($16.60)
Button ($14.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8

, 8

Hero raises to $0.85, 6 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 2

, 2

(2 players)
BB bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.30) A

(2 players)
BB bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($9.80) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $9.35, Hero folds

Total pot: $9.80 | Rake: $0.45

Villain runs 18/10/3 over a 200 hand sample. Has a very low 3bet % (though the sample is a bit small for this). I assume he's only making moves like this with KK+.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flow

UTG+1 ($20.75)
MP1 ($36.65)
Hero (MP2) ($25.25)
CO ($15)
Button ($31.45)
SB ($33.30)
BB ($77.50)
UTG ($22.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

, Q

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($6.35) 2

, 4

, 6

(2 players)
BB bets $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

Turn: ($15.85) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $67, Hero folds

Total pot: $15.85 | Rake: $0.75

Here villain runs 18/8/3.5 over 300 hands. I assumed with QQ+ villain here 3bets into us preflop, wheras Qx type hands fold the flop or at the least don't lead the turn. Are we right to assume we're ahead and call the bet?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flow

MP2 ($11.40)
Hero (CO) ($68.90)
Button ($25)
SB ($10.30)
BB ($42.30)
UTG ($5.40)
UTG+1 ($14.55)
MP1 ($40.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, J

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 6

, 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.30) 7

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($8.30) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $7.90, Hero calls $7.90

Total pot: $24.10 | Rake: $1.15

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a500lbgorilla

11-19-2008, 02:40 AM

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I really like villains line in the first hand with a really wide range. I really wish you had called so I could see!

I like the theme play passively, get into funky spots!

Hand 2: you thought he'd only 3 bet pre with KK+ so you flat to chase a set, then call the flop because you have an overpair, then fold the turn because he again has KK+?

Hand 3: what do you raise the turn with?

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killerkebab

11-19-2008, 02:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I really like villains line in the first hand with a really wide range. I really wish you had called so I could see!

I used to lose a lot of money 'just to see' :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Hand 2: you thought he'd only 3 bet pre with KK+ so you flat to chase a set, then call the flop because you have an overpair, then fold the turn because he again has KK+?

I have a small sample so I can't solely rely on the 3bet stat when we're preflop. When he gets shoving on the turn then I can assume he has KK+, yes?

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Hand 3: what do you raise the turn with?

I guess I should have raised here, but I didn't think villain had a hand.

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11-19-2008, 02:47 AM

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1) I fold turn. We're not calling down and are unlikely to have much equity now.

2) Kinda gross but I don't have a better idea

3) EZ, I raise turn. I think he has a 6, so I'd probably fold to a 3bet push (because then I don't think he has 6 anymore)

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11-19-2008, 02:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by killerkebab

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I really like villains line in the first hand with a really wide range. I really wish you had called so I could see!

I used to lose a lot of money 'just to see' :P

looking at it now, I think you should have turned your hand into a bluff on the turn. You can't get value out of worse hands without 2 hero calls and you can get a fold since it's really obvious that you're never folding + any hand sans an A or quads figure they're drawing dead. Quit when called.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Hand 2: you thought he'd only 3 bet pre with KK+ so you flat to chase a set, then call the flop because you have an overpair, then fold the turn because he again has KK+?

I have a small sample so I can't solely rely on the 3bet stat when we're preflop. When he gets shoving on the turn then I can assume he has KK+, yes?
I can't say honestly, but did you consider repopping him preflop or on the flop? Something tells me 4 betting him pre is just not part of your game

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Hand 3: what do you raise the turn with?

I guess I should have raised here, but I didn't think villain had a hand.

I didn't say you should raise, I'm just asking if you're not raising JJ what are you raising? or if you can play this hand all over again, what's the worst hand you'd like to raise the turn with?

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

CorbinDallas

11-19-2008, 03:56 AM

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hand 1... why aren't you 4 betting?

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11-19-2008, 05:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

hand 1... why aren't you 4 betting?

i think you mean hand 2

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CorbinDallas

11-19-2008, 05:28 AM

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yes.

killerkebab

11-19-2008, 01:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

hand 1... why aren't you 4 betting?

Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I can't say honestly, but did you consider repopping him preflop or on the flop? Something tells me 4 betting him pre is just not part of your game

I sometimes 4bet pre with QQ but it usually boils down to betting for information when I 4bet with a hand like that. At 25nl I find the only hands that stay in after I 4bet are KK/AA. Here I have position and I want to keep lesser hands in the pot, I guess.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I didn't say you should raise, I'm just asking if you're not raising JJ what are you raising? or if you can play this hand all over again, what's the worst hand you'd like to raise the turn with?

Probably something like 88/99, looking at it now. I don't think I raise 6x. As played, are you calling the river? Our line here is passive so he could attempt a bluff, right?

a500lbgorilla

11-19-2008, 02:02 PM

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Shouldn't you be 4 betting with a lot more air then?

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Probably something like 88/99, looking at it now. I don't think I raise 6x. As played, are you calling the river? Our line here is passive so he could attempt a bluff, right?

What better hand would possibly fold if we tried a river bluff?

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

kettleofish

11-19-2008, 02:32 PM

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I think u misread Rilla, looks like kebabio is saying that villain could be bluffing river in hand 3 which is why it's a call?

Also, villains line in hand 2 blows my mind. POT ODDS: DENIED! Alas, i have nothing constructive to add beyond that since I've never played full ring

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11-19-2008, 02:42 PM

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

105 games 0.005 secs 21,000 games/sec

Board: 6h 7s 7d 7c Qc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.619% 37.14% 00.48% 39 0.50 { JcJs }
Hand 1: 62.381% 61.90% 00.48% 65 0.50 { 88+, 66-55, AQs, A7s, KQs, QTs+, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo, KQo, QTo+, 87o, 76o, 65o }

Opinions on opponents range?

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

11-19-2008, 11:52 PM

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btw, rilla if you type in 55+ it will automatically exclude 77 since pokerstove is smart like that

a500lbgorilla

11-20-2008, 12:34 AM

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i like clicking the buttons

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Ragnar4

11-20-2008, 01:42 AM

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couldn't read the hands.

In bold the word "Saw Flow" appeared..

I couldn't figgure out what the "flow" was.

I'm not entire certain hero was playing poker if he "saw... flow..."

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

11-20-2008, 01:43 AM

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I can't see the flow maybe that's why i r not a winrar

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