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philly and the phanatics

07-28-2009, 06:55 AM Post subject: a few more hands

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first i'd like to thank stackx and spoon for their help in my other post, i have a few new hands from today though, here they are:

Hand 1- is checking this flop that bad? i wanted to induce a bluff of some sort, and i figured i would probably take the pot down right there if i bet. Villain is at his first hand at the table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($2.56)
Button ($2.95)
SB ($0.69)
Hero (BB) ($1.98)
UTG ($1.60)
UTG+1 ($3.16)
MP1 ($0.56)
MP2 ($0.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

, 7

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, CO calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.07) 5

, K

, 7

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.07) A

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.08, UTG+1 calls $0.08, 1 fold

River: ($0.23) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.20

Total pot: $1.03 | Rake: $0.05

-------------------------

Hand 2- i only had 6 hands on this guy so i really do not have much of a read on him either

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($2.04)
Button ($1.09)
SB ($2.92)
BB ($0.61)
Hero (UTG) ($1.57)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($0.97)
MP2 ($0.91)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, A

Hero bets $0.10, 4 folds, Button calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.25) 7

, K

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, Button calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.57) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, Button raises to $0.83 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $1.17 | Rake: $0.05
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hand 3- dude's 79/0 over 35 hands (not very reliable i know), but i feel like the min bet is sheer weakness on the turn

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($0.96)
SB ($3.71)
Hero (BB) ($2.07)
UTG ($5.30)
UTG+1 ($4.48)
MP1 ($0.68)
MP2 ($0.77)
CO ($2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

, 9

UTG calls $0.02, 5 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.06) K

, 5

, 9

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($0.06) 8

(3 players)
SB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08

River: ($0.26) 5

(2 players)
SB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Total pot: $0.54 | Rake: $0

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Stacks

07-28-2009, 07:01 AM

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Hand 1 - bet flop

Hand 2 - c/f turn. The turn is a blank, so his calling range isn't likely to change.. Also, he's short so he is more likely to get the money in with marginal hands, meaning your fold equity is lower.

Hand 3 - Raising turn accomplishes like nothing. Your hand is really marginal, and therefore you likely aren't getting any value out of worse hands with a raise. Instead just call turn and re-evaluate river.

07-28-2009, 07:34 AM

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hand 1 bet flop, that's the first thing I think of
hand 2 he's too short, don't bet turn
hand 3 call turn

surviva316

07-28-2009, 07:51 AM

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stacks and iopq have my answers covered, but let me say that check the flop in hand 1 is truly horrible. i don't mean to sound like a jerk, but there are just so many reasons. for one, bottom two is such a vulnerable hand and you're like never going to have a board you like by the time you get to the river. also, without reads on villains other than the fact that they're 2NL, it's safe to assume that these guys are calling with all sorts of garbage on the flop and aren't betting wtih nothing very often.

also, i think the fact that you only give our reads on CO is a sign of a leak. i could be wrong, but my guess is that this means that you didn't really start to consider villains' tendencies til after the other player had folded out of the pot, making the decision to check flop even worse. if you're going to check the flop, the main reason should be because there's some aggro spewtard who always bets flops when checked to and never puts faith in c/r's (or something like that). the fact that you were just like, yeah let's check this to induce a bluff 'cause we got a big hand, is something you wanna avoid.

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philly and the phanatics

07-28-2009, 08:22 AM

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thanks guys, its all duly noted, now if i can just beat it into my brain.

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07-28-2009, 08:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by surviva316

let me say that check the flop in hand 1 is truly horrible.

lol WRONG

07-28-2009, 09:41 AM

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I wouldn't say it's horrible, I think we should c/r some flops in limped pots against stabby players and just in general so that people can't just autobet when we check

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07-28-2009, 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Hand 3 - Raising turn accomplishes like nothing.

Turn raise is fine. We think he's weak and we don't want a passenger in the pot. If we're behind then we probably have outs.

River call is pretty meh.

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07-28-2009, 10:43 AM

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minraise turn to isolate!

surviva316

07-28-2009, 08:41 PM

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well maybe i'm still wrong, but i made that post on the assumption that we have no reads on villain other than the fact that they play 2NL, which is what OP said. we can safely assume that neither of the villains are going to be "stabby" very often, and they're like NEVER going to realize that they can exploit us by betting whenever we check to them because we don't ever check bottom two type hands.

my point was that getting fancy with vulnerable hands OOP against unknown villains at the micros is terrible. any disagreements with that?

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