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Old 06-19-2009, 04:16 PM     Post subject: A few hands from today #1 (permalink)  
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These hands came from two sit'n'gos and im pretty upset with the turnout of some of them:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 200000+1500 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1440)
UTG (t190)
MP1 (t1810)
MP2 (t3290)
CO (t1505)
Button (t3645)
SB (t1620)

Hero's M: 32.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, J
3 folds, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) 4, 9, K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (t90) J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60

River: (t210) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t60, Hero raises to t240, CO raises to t420, Hero calls t180

Total pot: t1050

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 200000+1500 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t2255)
UTG (t3300)
MP (t2300)
Button (t4930)
SB (t715)

Hero's M: 30.07

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
1 fold, MP bets t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t500, MP raises to t2300 (All-In), Hero calls t1755 (All-In)

Flop: (t4535) 3, K, 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t4535) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t4535) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t4535

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 200000+1500 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1370)
MP2 (t940)
Hero (MP3) (t1860)
CO (t2160)
Button (t1410)
SB (t1390)
BB (t1220)
UTG (t1620)
UTG+1 (t1530)

Hero's M: 62.00

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, J
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t80, 2 folds, Hero raises to t300, 3 folds, BB calls t280, UTG+1 raises to t520, Hero calls t220, BB calls t220

Flop: (t1570) Q, 6, 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t1010 (All-In), Hero folds, 1 fold

Total pot: t1570

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 200000+1500 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t1565)
SB (t910)
Hero (BB) (t1340)
UTG (t2100)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t1560)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t1635)
CO (t2445)

Hero's M: 29.78

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 3
UTG bets t120, 7 folds, Hero calls t90

Flop: (t255) 6, Q, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets t160, UTG calls t160

Turn: (t575) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t280, UTG calls t280

River: (t1135) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t360, UTG calls t360

Total pot: t1855
 
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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why is no one answering and why is this rated 1.0/5.0????
 
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Why is the only read or contextual note "I'm pretty upset"...?
 
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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why is no one answering and why is this rated 1.0/5.0????
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:22 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Why is the only read or contextual note "I'm pretty upset"...?
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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why is no one answering and why is this rated 1.0/5.0????
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:32 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 is bleh. I guess turn raise is good, but probably fold to the 3bet. Cooler probably.

Hand 2 You probably dont want to get ai pre with JJ here. Call preflop and work it out from there.

Hand 3 This is dreadful in so many ways. The 3bet is kinda bad, flatting the 4bet is terrible, fold would be best but shoving would be better than calling.

Hand 4 is spew, I'm not sure why you even posted this. You called preflop for set odds and then decided to bluff most of your stack off with no equity? What sort of comment are you looking for?
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:11 AM #8 (permalink)  
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why is no one answering and why is this rated 1.0/5.0????
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How is this helpful?
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:15 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Ok thanks for the advice. I guess I really screwed up the last one lol. Well, at least now I know for next time. For the second hand, if I dont raise, then his range can be so large: {A9+, 22+, KJ+}. with the raise and min re-raise I can narrow it down to QQ KK AA. Why I called? I can't anser that. I'm just saying it's much easier for me to put him on a hand by raising. Third hand I knew I was probably in trouble but an all in could mean {TT+, AK} and AK is probably the most likely to shove over so that's why I called the 4 bet. How do I calculatet if I have good odds (to call) against that range? 1755 into a pot of 2800.
 
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:19 AM #10 (permalink)  
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What range do you want to play JJ against, A9+, 22+, KJ+ or QQ KK AA? You're pretty much saying you decided to turn JJ into a bluff.

If you plan to fold JJ to any overcard, do you plan to call if its a 9 high flop and he shoves? You're pretty much calling off 1/3 your stack hoping to hit a set. You turned JJ into 44 here without anywhere near the odds to do so.
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Old 06-20-2009, 03:31 AM #11 (permalink)  

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Old 06-20-2009, 03:55 AM #12 (permalink)  
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H1: wtf on river just call. I agree its a weird spot but so many hands crush you. What are you looking to get value on? Hes the only player in the pot who really wanted to be...

H2: 3-bet smaller pf, 2.5 or 3x. Your up against a short stack and you want to be able to fold if possible. If your read is you think your beat than fold. Why would you want to stack off when your M is 30?

H3: I actually don't hate this play. Although your bet sizing is again too large. 2.5-3x here again. Look at the blinds here, your already loosing so many chips and the real tourney hasn't even started yet (I know its an SnG).

H4: Why are you CC a pf raise with 33? AND why are you betting this flop...turn...or river....and doing so pretty weak.


The main theme I see between these hands is that you are an aggressive player but your going about it in the wrong way. Be aggressive in specific spots, not all the time.

Think of it as hills and vallys. Hills you bet and bet hard, vallys you fold. Dont pick spots (hills) where you maybe/possibly/kinda/could be ahead, FOLD THOSE SPOTS. You want the hills (spots you pick) to be when you have AA,KK,AK,AQ, etc. Premium holdings (relative)! Hands where you think pf, "This persons tendencies are to show he/she plays these hands, does the hand in front of me play well against those". If the answer is yes it does, take it to the flop and see if your villain plays like the hands you thought he had.

Poker is a big guessing game and you just need to figure out what to guess and what to do when you come to your conclusion.
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:30 AM #13 (permalink)  
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 Nobody answering first off because they are not real poker hands. Why don't you rent WSOP for PlayStation 3 and post those hands as well. Second of all, these are tourney hands and go in the tournament forum. Third of all, stop posting play money hands. This isn't poker, it's bingo.
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Old 06-20-2009, 09:23 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 As a follow up to Jyms point, you have to understand that part of poker is that people don't like to lose money and that gives you fold equity. With play money , nobody is losing(or could lose) anything. Whilst you may pick up some general poker skills you will also learn some horrible habits.
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:16 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I'm trying to hone my skills in play money before I go up to real money again. I was doing pretty well then just lost it all at once. I won $0.50 from a freeroll, worked it up to $7.50, then lost it all again.
 
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Old 06-20-2009, 01:32 PM #16 (permalink)  
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I'm trying to hone my skills in play money before I go up to real money again. I was doing pretty well then just lost it all at once. I won $0.50 from a freeroll, worked it up to $7.50, then lost it all again.
read the posts on bankroll management in the digest.Variance can easily wipe out 4 buyins and you end up playing scared money well before you lose all 4 buyins. take the free money thats on offer and start with a cushion.Avoid sites where theres juicy first deposit bonuses and rakeback. Learn with someone elses money and hopefully you can run it up enough to cash out .
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Old 06-21-2009, 03:17 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:22 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Here is another hand that bothered me today. I don't have his stats because I dont know how to get (how do I?) them but he seemed like a pretty solid player.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($1.56)
UTG+1 ($4.89)
MP1 ($0.94)
MP2 ($0.97)
MP3 ($0.83)
CO ($0.98)
Button ($2.93)
SB ($1.08)
Hero (BB) ($2.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, A
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.08, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.08, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 6, 8, 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.45) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

River: ($0.77) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20

Total pot: $1.17 | Rake: $0.05

Here are my thoughts:
A8s seemed like a playable hand for only 6 cents in a multiway pot so I called. When I flopped top pair, the only thing I was afraid of was an overpair. Should I slow down after the flop bet, or keep betting at it? I didn't bet pot because I was afraid I was behind.
 
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Old 06-29-2009, 04:32 PM #19 (permalink)  
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 A8s isn't a great hand to flat a PFR, especially OOP, even if it is multiway. I don't like donking the flop, and i don't like your bet sizing for any of the streets.

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Old 06-29-2009, 04:41 PM #20 (permalink)  
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keep in mind I'm a noob too -

first of all, I wouldn't play A8s here. he's raising in early position, which sort of gives more weight to the upper end of his range, and you've also got another caller in MP. and furthermore you'll be OOP after the flop.

i'm not sure whether i'd bet the flop, but i definitely wouldn't bet the turn if he calls on the flop. he's shown strength preflop and called a flop donk bet. plus your turn bet is tiny, like a third of the pot size.
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Old 06-29-2009, 05:09 PM #21 (permalink)  
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first of all, I wouldn't play A8s here. he's raising in early position, which sort of gives more weight to the upper end of his range, and you've also got another caller in MP.
just thought i should point out that the fact that villain's range is strong and that it's multiway make for a BETTER argument to call here because we should only be playing this hand for implied odds.

also i wouldn't adjust villain's range to his position unless A) we have a read on him, B) his ATS is much higher than his PFR or C) he seems like a half-thinking opponent (running 20/15 or something).

i still agree that we shouldn't call, though.
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:01 PM #22 (permalink)  
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I just want to make 2 suggestions. 1) Stop playing play money, it is fucking with your skills. 2) read more about bet-sizing because your spewy then your nitty man its all screwed up. You want to make calculated bets to narrow your oponets range, overbeting to do it is not the way to accomplish this.
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:36 PM #23 (permalink)  
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1) Does this look like play money to you? Usually the little "$" signs means its for real.
2) I usually have pretty standard bets. I almost never overbet the pot. IN this case, I was underbetting because he was just flat calling and I was afraid of slowplay. I was not betting for value, but not as a bluff either. Besides, at this level, there are a lot of guys who would be flat calling with an Ace.

I know he raised from an early position, but most people who play 1c/2c are positionally unaware and raise based on hand strenth rather than table position.
 
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:43 PM #24 (permalink)  
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:59 PM     Post subject: Re: A few hands from today #25 (permalink)  
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These hands came from two sit'n'gos and im pretty upset with the turnout of some of them:

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Old 06-30-2009, 12:00 AM #26 (permalink)  
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WHAT THE HELL? Thats from a few weeks ago. Look at my other hand.
EDIT: why would you lock this? I would like some advice on that hand plus a place to post future hands.
 
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:12 AM #28 (permalink)  
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WHAT THE HELL? Thats from a few weeks ago. Look at my other hand.
EDIT: why would you lock this? I would like some advice on that hand plus a place to post future hands.
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I was not betting for value, but not as a bluff either.
This is a problem. Why were you betting?
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