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jackvance

11-03-2008, 09:52 PM Post subject: A few hands

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I'd like to check if my reasoning is still decent.. just started playing again, did well on prima, now deposited $100 on stars to get pokeroffice for free there with FPPs, some 25NL hands:

I play like 25/18

1.
PokerStars Game #21733959976: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 16:46:41 ET
Table Innes IV 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: elcoco1967 ($14.60 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($33.85 in chips)
Seat 3: Fortination ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: trimur ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: srlegend16 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Gagliardo85 ($17.75 in chips)
WinterGT: posts small blind $0.10
Fortination: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qc Kc]
trimur: folds
srlegend16: folds
Gagliardo85: calls $0.25
elcoco1967: folds
HERO: raises $0.75 to $1
Fortination: calls $0.75
Gagliardo85: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 4c 7c]
HERO: bets $1.50
Fortination: raises $2.25 to $3.75

I have the flush draw + maybe overs, but I hate this kind of spot, he could conceivably be raising something like JT, and I'm most likely facing a steep turn bet too, and I might not get paid if I hit. Dump it, call or repop him?

2.
PokerStars Game #21733672532: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 16:36:29 ET
Table Pele III 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: longmen707 ($23 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO($40.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Raeann29 ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 5: timmybuys ($33 in chips)
Seat 6: rbvnn ($31.10 in chips)
Raeann29: posts small blind $0.10
timmybuys: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [9s 3d]
rbvnn: raises $0.50 to $0.75
longmen707: calls $0.75
HERO: raises $2.25 to $3
Raeann29: folds
timmybuys: folds
rbvnn: calls $2.25
longmen707: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9h 8d]
rbvnn: bets $5
HERO: raises $8 to $13

Villain is TAG 25/20 something, I repopped him once or twice earlier in the session.. I figure he wouldn't bet into me if he hit a jackpot, but then again, what am I normally raising here? Thoughts?

3.
PokerStars Game #21732627708: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/03 16:00:19 ET
Table Kevola II 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Prolifik0119 ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 3: asproactive ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 4: GHQ.Slay3r ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 5: mickeyb89 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($22.85 in chips)
mickeyb89: posts small blind $0.10
HERO: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qd Jd]
Prolifik0119: folds
asproactive: folds
GHQ.Slay3r: raises $0.75 to $1
mickeyb89: calls $0.90
HERO: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [6d Jc 4d]
mickeyb89: bets $1.75
HERO: calls $1.75
GHQ.Slay3r: raises $5.25 to $7
Jo_Medici joins the table at seat #2
mickeyb89: raises $3.50 to $10.50 and is all-in
HERO: ?

TP+flush draw, such a pretty hand. but I'm squeezed inbetween 2 other guys who like their hand and you gotta wonder what they are working with. Shove or fold?

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11-03-2008, 10:10 PM

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1-ship it, esp since his raise is weak

2-wth pre? fold flop imo he has a decent hand.

3-im allin vince

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jackvance

11-03-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

1-ship it, esp since his raise is weak

2-wth pre? fold flop imo he has a decent hand.

3-im allin vince

1- You mean to just shove a full stack in the middle there? I was thinking maybe raise to $7-9 or something? But I wussed out and called, then called $5 turn bet and lost the river to his KTo, such an embarassing hand.

2- Pre it's a very small part of my range to squeeze with total trash, here I did it because I had the button and his normal raise is $1, so now $0.75 means he's raising a crappier hand which he should fold. And if he had a decent hand I think he'd check and let me bet. He folded but yeah I could have just gotten lucky there.

3- That's what I did, and maybe it's results oriented, but I think it was a bad decision. First guy shoved his K2d, and last guy thought for a long time then called with AJo. I'm suddenly drawing totally dead here. More generally if you put these guys on hand ranges: naked flush draw, 2pair/set, TPTK, then I'm not doing too good if they all tag along.
I shoulda folded this and save me a buyin..

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11-03-2008, 10:33 PM

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1-if u raise about 9 on flop make sure it lines up a PSB on turn then.

3-shorty is giving abit of overlay imo

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11-03-2008, 11:08 PM

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hand 1: make it 14 to go and get it in.
hand 2: repoping with 93 off is terrible, just fold pre.
hand 3: get it in, though im not delighted with it.

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11-03-2008, 11:21 PM

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1) Bet $2 on the flop. Less screwing around OOP
2) Don't 3bet trash, especially if you think he might start playing back at you. Also don't try too hard to outthink non-thinking players

And seriously, go here:
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11-04-2008, 12:10 AM

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1- 3bet/call
2- this is stupid, what are you doing
3-all in obv

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11-04-2008, 12:30 AM

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Hand 2 - there's a difference between 3-betting "trash" like 56o or K5s and 3-betting 93o. It's fine to 3-bet light, but you still want to 3-bet with hands that have some sort of decent equity and can flop semi-decently.

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11-04-2008, 08:13 AM

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1) Just 3bet/call, shove turn if called. Worse FD's are in his raising range, you're doing well against combodraws and you're decent against a set.

2) Think about it like this; if you're 3betting 93o here you should 3bet about your whole range. (possibly not the middle part). But that range is insanely wide, and too wide. Go with the best hands that you don't want to call but still have some equity against villains calling range. (like griffey said)

3) Just go allin. Don't worry too much about these hands where you have a very good draw. Just go allin, it's rarely wrong if there's some money in the pot. It also gives you valuable information about villains hands and how they play them.

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11-04-2008, 04:45 PM

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Just for clarification, I'm not just randomly reraising people with air, it's the TAGs with stats like 18/16 or 24/20 that I'll throw in the occasional trash, because they tend to fold to reraises anyway. And to wait for a prettier hand, I dunno.. I think the spot has to feel right, if I have 56s it's only like 5% chance to flop big enough to continu vs a real premium hand, as opposed to 2-3% on 93s so not a big difference.

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11-05-2008, 04:55 AM

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Nah dude. Just dont reraise any player with 93o ever again. This is good advice. 93s and we can talk.

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jackvance

11-05-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by swiggidy

And seriously, go here:
http://www.holdemmanager.net/

small stakes version is $55, you can upgrade for $25 when you need the 100NL+ version. Poker office sucks donkey balls in comparison.

Ok thanks for the advice.. pokeroffice started lagging my PC like crazy yesterday, making poker unplayable, and that's on top of the overlay putting the stats on the wrong people.

And I see I can get HEM for free at titan on top of the 100% bonus.. guess I'm going to titan

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11-05-2008, 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

if I have 56s it's only like 5% chance to flop big enough to continu vs a real premium hand, as opposed to 2-3% on 93s so not a big difference.

So another way of phrasing this statement is "If I wait for 56s I'll flop better twice as often as with 93s"

It may seem small in terms of raw percentages, but twice as good isn't marginal!

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11-05-2008, 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

if I have 56s it's only like 5% chance to flop big enough to continu vs a real premium hand, as opposed to 2-3% on 93s so not a big difference.

So another way of phrasing this statement is "If I wait for 56s I'll flop better twice as often as with 93s"

It may seem small in terms of raw percentages, but twice as good isn't marginal!

That's more important if we're looking to see a cheap flop, but in a reraised pot with a non-premium hand there will be no showdown most likely (since they put me on a premium hand).

Remember Sauce's first post on these forums, about a squeeze with T2o? It's not that bad a play if it's sparse imo..

edit: btw I'm not trying to say I'm anywhere near his league of play, but just saying

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11-05-2008, 03:16 PM

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Remember Sauce's first post on these forums, about a squeeze with T2o?

remember how everyone said it was awful because it was awful?

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11-05-2008, 05:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

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Originally Posted by jackvance

if I have 56s it's only like 5% chance to flop big enough to continu vs a real premium hand, as opposed to 2-3% on 93s so not a big difference.

So another way of phrasing this statement is "If I wait for 56s I'll flop better twice as often as with 93s"

It may seem small in terms of raw percentages, but twice as good isn't marginal!

Jack you have a lot of really good poker players all giving you the same advice. I think there's a reason for that.

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11-07-2008, 10:47 AM

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11-07-2008, 12:59 PM

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Is shoving the flop in hand 1 really transparent?

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