Originally Posted by bjsaust

Fold to c-bet matters if you're using stats

Originally Posted by Illfavor

Isn't each of these a thread unto itself? Couldn't we start some awesome weekly series about exploiting each of these types? B/c that would be amazing...

Originally Posted by Outlaw

When I initialy started the thread, I figured we would tackle preflop first and save postflop for another thread.. or is that impossible?

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Heres the problem:

70/5/0.5 - Limp/Calls a lot preflop, folds a lot postflop
70/5/0.5 - Limp/Calls a lot preflop, wont fold any piece of the board or draw (even gutshot) postflop, has been seen to call down with Q high.

Exploiting those two people with identical stats requires different approaches.

Originally Posted by iopq

Here I'll give it a shot:

I'll draw ranges for you guys

|--F--|--B--|--C--|--R--|
first range is fold, second is bet or raise as a bluff, third is call, fourth is bet or raise for value

1. fish
make sure not to try to bluff and fold when fish bets/raises since he has the goods
so widen your value range at the expense of your call range and widen your fold range at the expense of your call range
|--F------|B|-C-|---R--|
so our bluff range shrunk a lot, but we can cbet against some of these fish and against others we can't, it totally depends on fishyness post-flop
2. there are two cases:
a) 5.5 af is because he's very raise or fold post-flop but actually really nitty and only raises with the goods and calls very infrequently
against such a guy when he bets we should be calling with the bottom of our value range instead of raising because he's never going to call a raise anyway with worse; he's shoving better. We only want to raise him with the goods hoping he is strong enough to get it in. I even threw in bluffing more for a good measure
|--F-|---B--|--C----|R--|
b) 5.5 af is a really bluffy fish
so call him down, we still bet sometimes if he's willing to bluff raise
|--F-|---B|----C----|R--|
you can't tell between a or b using AF, you can only tell between them using AFq - Aggression Frequency
a would have AFq of like 20 and b would have AFq of like 55

player 3 is a nittag
we can sometimes get away with bluffing him, but we should fold most of our range when he's interested and get involved with the top of the top of our range
|--F----|B----|C|R--|
player 4 is a standard low stakes player that is too loose preflop and slightly too loose post-flop
this is the player that I assume I'm up against when I sit at a table with 5 other unknowns
|--F--|--B--|--C--|--R--| is our range it is made exactly for this player