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TerryToma
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04-23-2007, 06:00 AM
Post subject: Evolution of Online Poker
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: wisconsin
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Hey crew,
Just wondering if anyone had insight on how online poker may have changed in the past 6 months. With the tightening of restrictions / lack of bonuses, have you found players adapting their strategies? Less fish??
More specifically, full-ring, low stakes no limit poker (25nl-100nl). Any adaptations helpful? Are Renton's guides still pretty valid, overall?
Thanks,
Terry
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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It's still very beatable.
Good to see you back Terry!
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zook
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Fewer fish, but still beatable. Where are you playing?
Welcome back.
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TerryToma
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Full House
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Right now I'm 7 tabling 25NL Full Ring @ Full Tilt. I'm finding much fewer fish, but have been pretty amazed at some of them.
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sejje
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Full House
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My little strip of ocean is quite full of delicious little baitfish. (AP, .5/$1NL & under).
I've come across a few players that I thought were excellent, and most of the rest of them are making HUGE mistakes on a regular basis.
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ieatp1gs
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Fish are getting better for sure. Much less fish "i stack off with TPNK" type and much more "I have AA/KK/QQ I'm all in"
Low levels are still fkn easy everywhere but it obv helps to be playing eurosites
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sejje
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ieatp1gs
Much less fish "i stack off with TPNK" type and much more "I have AA/KK/QQ I'm all in"
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Yeah, at AP it's more like "I stack off with 2nd pair no kicker or missed AK, and I slowplay AA in a 6-way pot until someone has the stone cold nuts and then i get every penny in the pot dead."
The state of online poker is that it's just the same as it ever was, as far as I can tell. Well, besides the glory days of pary 50BB NL games. ::drools::
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2_Thumbs_Up
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What about the future of online poker. Will it always be beatable for a decent win rate? Do you think we may encounter another (smaller) poker boom for some reason (maybe another game than HE)?
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as-510
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Join Date: May 2007
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Like many have said, it's fewer fishes but definitely beatable.
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JeffreyGB
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Originally Posted by 2_Thumbs_Up
Do you think we may encounter another (smaller) poker boom for some reason (maybe another game than HE)?
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Eventually the US will decide that it's legal after all. When that happens there will be another boom.
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Chicago_Kid
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Full House
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Originally Posted by as-510
Like many have said, it's fewer fishes but definitely beatable.
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If you don't find it beatable, just move down. My view is that compared to pre-US ban, skill simply moved down 1 or 2 levels.
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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litetruck
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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watch out for the bots @ FT
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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seems the ban is on its last legs anyway already....
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Chopper
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renton's guide is still good, imo. the games are still beatable. by the same rates we were killing it at and getting bonuses thrown in on top of? NO, but still beatable.
the fish (US ones) cannot reload as easily anymore, but thats not to say they arent. and the "dabbler" is prolly going away as the publicity of poker starts to wane in spring before raging back with the WSOP.
the one thing i keep noticing is all the players (good ones) dropping down a level or two. i've done it as well. we are dropping to find better numbers of fish.
another thing i've done recently is starting tracking "known" fish. i have watched a couple drop levels as they go busto. and i've even seen one go from 25NL to 10 to 5 to PLAY MONEY? wow. to not reload and drop to play money before figuring out you suck is beyond me, but whatever.
all that said, the games are still VERY profitable, but i find if i try to move back up where i was, its tougher than it used to be.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Beck
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i too dropped a level, and recently started dabling in sit n goes. been pretty good at the micros as I get practice I will move up.
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-Beck
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TerryToma
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Full House
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Originally Posted by litetruck
watch out for the bots @ FT 
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seriously? what levels do they play, and how to find/exploit them?
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donkbee
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
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Originally Posted by litetruck
watch out for the bots @ FT 
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seriously? what levels do they play, and how to find/exploit them?
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...707&highlight=
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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