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samsonite2100
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05-14-2006, 11:39 PM
Post subject: Every time any one minbets UTG ever,
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they have QQ-AA.
y/n?
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martindcx1e
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05-14-2006, 11:50 PM
Post subject: Re: Every time any one minbets UTG ever,
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
they have QQ-AA.
y/n?
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i assume you mean min-raise?
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samsonite2100
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Yeah, that's what I meant--preflop
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martindcx1e
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i say no. it does not always mean that.
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bair
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ive minraised utg w/o those hands, so no.
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samsonite2100
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OK, I was kind of going for a laugh w/ the "every time" bit, but seriously, 80/90% of the time? I see it constantly...
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jackvance
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Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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WhooFleuryScores
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When someone minraises like that I put them to be a donkey and call with my PP or SC in position and pray that I outflop them and take a stack.
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twosevoff
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I'd say roughly half of the time a random utg minraiser will have a monster hand, while the other half of the time it represents a marginally strong hand. Definitely not 80-90% of the time.
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Renton
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nah they usually just limp in
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samsonite2100
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Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?
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They raise an unraised pot to two BB.
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I'd say roughly half of the time a random utg minraiser will have a monster hand, while the other half of the time it represents a marginally strong hand.
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Yeah, this actually seems right. I guess it just always stands out when people do it. I will say that on Bodog it might be more like 75% of the time--I need to take a break from that site, it's skewing my poker worldview...
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WhooFleuryScores
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It happens alot on party;some people will honestly minraise AA/KK/AKs/QQ and then overbet the flop once they get their $3 pot.I usually call looking for a monster since they've priced us all in.
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Rondavu
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Minraise UTG is in and of itself undefining. It's player specific.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
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Do you mean if you raise say 4BB, they make it 8BB - or that they raise an unraised pot to 2BB?
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They raise an unraised pot to two BB. |
I have noticed this too, but I put it kinda different for myself. It's not "minraise - uh oh he has AA/KK/QQ".. more like "minraise - be aware that it might very well be a monster". Sometimes it's really just a marginally good hand however. A few showdowns will make you all the wiser here, since people don't often change their habits.
Yesterday I bled a guy dry because I saw through his habit of "raising crap 8BB and continu to bluff it hard" and "minraising real hands". I added 2/3 to my stack because I called him down with AK on his hefty raises (river was check/check and I won with A high), and a bit later called his minraise with a suited gapper and hit two crappy pair and took the remainder of his stack on his AA. This was all pretty read-based, because in the latter case there were also flush/straight options so I don't normally put my stack on bottom two pair but in this case I figured it would be AA/KK (maybe QQ or overplayed AK).
And a special thanks goes to the smallstack who called him down on his hard preflop raises and clued me off to his weird habit! 
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Pelion
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anytime anyone open-minraises UTG they are a donkey. Thats pretty much all you can say. Ive seen it with AA, Axs, 66, JTs and all sorts. It basically means they suck.
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IT'S CALLED A STRADDLE
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flomo
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
It happens alot on party;some people will honestly minraise AA/KK/AKs/QQ and then overbet the flop once they get their $3 pot.I usually call looking for a monster since they've priced us all in.
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i use this strat too ^^^
if i have a pp of 10-10 or j-j i like to reraise an amount that will trigger a reraise by a monster hand preflop, to find out if i'm beat preflop
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Originally Posted by bigred
Protect dog
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Lukie
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05-15-2006, 06:56 PM
Post subject: Re: Every time any one minbets UTG ever,
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
they have QQ-AA.
y/n?
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WTF???
NO
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samsonite2100
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You've been waiting for just the right time to do that, huh?
If I send you chocolates, will we be good?
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stuck
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Originally Posted by Triptan3s
IT'S CALLED A STRADDLE
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I LOOOVE straddling in home games.
But that's neither here nor there.
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If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by samsonite2100
You've been waiting for just the right time to do that, huh?
If I send you chocolates, will we be good?
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haha ya,
and ya.
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Fnord
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No, it's usually something like KQ/AQ/AJ/AT/TTish trying to get you to define your hand on the cheap. I often re-raise these.
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Anything wrong with doing this with small PP's as a blocking bet from a potential larger raise from the button with garbage?
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WhooFleuryScores
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Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.
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oh for gods sake
NL25, 100bb eff stacks
Fleury opens for $1 in MP with 22.
Lukie repops him to $3.35 in the CO with ??.
Who's getting the best of it here?
If you think it's Fleury, you are wrong.
If you think it's even close, you are wrong.
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mcatdog
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.
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Believe it or not, you don't always win someone's stack when you hit a set.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
Jsut raise normal with a PP-$1 and call any reraises looking to set and stack.No need to block bet preflop.
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Believe it or not, you don't always win someone's stack when you hit a set. |
Yeah, that and you don't always win the hand with a set.
Let's go back to my example.
Lukie is on the CO with AdKd.
Fleury opens for $1 with 22.
Lukie pot-raises to $3.35.
everyone folds but Fleury who calls.
Flop 2d 3c 8d. BINGO!!!
Fleury checks. Lukie bets $5. Fleury pushes all-in. Lukie calls.
Pot is $50. Just because fleury is a big favorite here (3:1), doesn't mean he should be entitled to the entire pot. He only has about 75% equity. He's put in $25 and has $37 equity, netting $12. In this instance, even given that he DID get it allin on the flop with a big edge, in hindsight, he still only got 6:1 in implied odds even given the fact that he got it allin, which he usually won't in this situation.
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