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Jiggus

11-15-2005, 03:43 AM Post subject: Eek! A Mouse!!

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After downloading my latest set of hands into PT, I looked up at the auto-rating for myself and was quite bemused to see a cute little mouse looking back at me!!

I have gone from "Tight/Passive/Aggressive" to "Tight/Passive/Passive".

A couple of you may know that I've been specialising at $2NL for the past few thousand hands. I'm using Aok's starting hand strategy, and I think that I'm actually a bit more agressive post-flop than I used to be.

I've got in 5,661 hands at my selected limit.

V$IP = 13.01 --> this has increased from 11 something.
W$SF% = 24.68 --> this seems stable maybe declining slightly.
BB/100 = 8.25
Won $ at SD = 51.69% --> this is the highest it has ever been in over 10,000 hands.
PFRaise% = 2.63
Overall Aggression factor = 1.98

I don't think that I'm looking for advice, because for the last 3800 hands, where I've been applying an extremely disciplined starting hand strategy and pre-flop betting tactic I've been winning.

One would think, though, that the mouse would be a big loser. What's up with that?

Oh, before the metamorphosis into a mouse I was a rock.

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Fortune 500

11-15-2005, 04:18 AM

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Don't get tied up in Poker Tracker's ratings. They're shaky at best.

Get your own operations graphic here:
http://operations.talkingapes.com

Greedo017

11-15-2005, 04:39 AM

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its all relative. you're probably playing against a bunch of overly aggressive/stupid lags. If you were playing in a room full of tight asses, you wouldn't be doing nearly as well being so passive.

nothing is always bad, except sucking. aggressive/passive/tight/loose are all right in different combinations under different circumstances.

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Laeelin

11-15-2005, 04:44 AM

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Also, do you only have 3800 hands in PT? if so, then you could be almost anything at this point.

You need more hands... lots more...

Q. Is poker Gambling?
A. Do you use correct bankroll management?

Jiggus

11-16-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Laeelin

Also, do you only have 3800 hands in PT? if so, then you could be almost anything at this point.

You need more hands... lots more...

Laeelin, young lad! Please read your homework more carefully next time.

I've well over ten thousand hands in total and am approaching six thousand at my current "specialised" limit. See original post.

Jigs

Jiggus

11-16-2005, 05:45 AM

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its all relative. you're probably playing against a bunch of overly aggressive/stupid lags. If you were playing in a room full of tight asses, you wouldn't be doing nearly as well being so passive.

As I sit back and analyse this, yes, Greedo, you are correct. I've quite naturally fallen into AOK's counterplay strategy, because at these penny limits, there are loads and loads of morons who'll play all sorts of weird-ass holdings. On top of it, they're mostly too moronic to see that I'm only playing 15% of the hands.

A "tight" table at these limits is around 45% seeing the flop.

Jigs

Laeelin

11-16-2005, 06:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggus

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Originally Posted by Laeelin

Also, do you only have 3800 hands in PT? if so, then you could be almost anything at this point.

You need more hands... lots more...

Hit 100,000 and you will be able to be close enough to sure, but really, 10k isnt enough.

10k is the minimum to get an idea, but it can still be way way off...

I wouldnt make decisions on stats from PT with that few hands. However, I would use it to help point me in the right direction..

Look and at hand histories and see for sure first. Dont take PT as "right" just because it feels like 10k hands are enough.

Basically, i'm trying to say that, for example, you might have just been on a bad run of flops. Vairance can hit hard, and most people dont understand just how small a sample 10k is.

Rember that out of thoes 10,000 hands, you only played 1300 (not counting blinds), and with a little bad luck you could have easily had 2/3 (or more) missed flops leaving you with just ~450 (or less) "good" hands to play. That could leave you with a low aggression factor and looking passive (from missed draws/etc).

Even if your playing PERFECTLY.....

Also, the people your playing against make a diffrence as well.

For example, some tables you should almost never bet at, others you should bet almost every flop. The first might have a couple mainac players jamming the pot for you to rake in with a good hand, and the other might have a lot of passive players folding left and right to your raises.

Reviewing Hand Histories > Stats.
Reviewing Hand Histories + Stats > All.

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A. Do you use correct bankroll management?

relayer

11-18-2005, 05:50 PM

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Can someone direct me to a thread etc. that explains in some detail how PT stats are to be properly interpreted? I have maybe 2K kands in the database and, going forward, would like to really understand what the stats mean/imply.

Thanks.

LeFou

11-18-2005, 06:01 PM

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2K of stats mean/imply precisely dick.

but later on you go here:
http://poker-tracker.flopturnriver.c...er-tracker.php

relayer

11-18-2005, 06:16 PM

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I realize 2K is nothing, and thanks for the link!

Jiggus

11-20-2005, 04:56 AM Post subject: Two Replies in One

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Ah Laeelin, I realise that my sample is what you play in a day, but still, I'm getting there.

PT is useful, indeed, to get a quick overview of your results, but the more arcane uses of the thing need to be learned, which leads me to my second reply to Relayer.

I've found a pretty excellent link for some really nice lessons on how to use PT: http://www.bet-the-pot.com/

I am only too well aware of variance, and even though I don't really know how many hands I've played this past 2.5 years ('cause I've only had PT for about 4 months) I do suspect that I'm in the region off 30 or 40 thousand. I've seen money come and go. Mostly go.

However, my latest foray into what is emerging as my "A game" has proven to be profitable in the short term.

More to follow on that.

Later, dudes.

Jigs

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