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KoJackStevo
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08-23-2005, 03:20 PM
Post subject: Easy Cash Game Strategy?
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Hi guys,
I was reading this post in another forum recently about an easy strategy to beat the small stakes NL cash games.
It seems very stupid and like it wouldn't work but lots of people on the other forum said it was working.
I am very curious as to whether somthing this simple can work.
Can anyone say whether this system works or not? Has anyone tried it over 100,000 hands or something?
The system is this:
- Push All in with AA and KK preflop.
- Limp with all other pairs QQ-22, only to flop a set, if flopped a set, push all-in.
Seems stpuid right?
Are people in small stakes (NL25-100) really that stupid to make money off?
Thanks for any responses guys,
Stevo.
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AHiltz
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Yes.
Pushing AA and KK preflop might not make you the most money in the long run, but it will work.
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BIGandRICH
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yes i believe that would work.. definately not the highest paying strategy but it would work... i dont know about NL100.. but NL25, and 50.. deffinately.
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i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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PokerPatNEU
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Uh i don't agree, if thats *all* you do.
NL 25, blinds are 15/25 cents. Thats 40 cents per orbit. You see AA/KK 2*[4/52]*[3/51] percent of the time...which is .9%. Thats about 1 in a hundred. So once every 10 orbits. You pay 4$ per AA/KK opportunity. Lets say you get it..and push all in. You won't get a call every time. ESPECIALLY if people have seen you fold everything for 10 orbits. Also every time you actually do get a call, you only double up the majority of them...not every single one.
I really don't thinkt his strategy would work. Otherwise people would make an all in bot and have it play on every single low limit (NL 10-NL 50) poker table on the internet.
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BIGandRICH
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Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU
So once every 10 orbits. You pay 4$ per AA/KK opportunity. Lets say you get it..and push all in. You won't get a call every time. ESPECIALLY if people have seen you fold everything for 10 orbits.
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the strategy is suggesting playing all pairs, for set value. so you wouldnt be folding for 10 orbits to often, and never underestimate what a NL25 op will call... again, not the most profitable way to play, but it wouldnt lose you money. I think its workable at full ring, 6max is different. but really, the average NL25 and lower player isnt going to notice that you folded the last 50 hands anyway.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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PokerPatNEU
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Well, you will only be dealt 22-QQ 5% of the tiem, and only about 11.5% of those times will you flop a set...So thats like once every 28 orbits. Another 11$, and again no garunteed call. And when you do get a call, no garunteed double up...even if you're the favorite.
Really no way i see this working if it's that basic. Push pre flop no matter what with AA/KK, limp QQ-22 and push if you make a set. Thats it? Like i said if it would work bots would be doing it all day.
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BIGandRICH
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08-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Post subject: Re: Easy Cash Game Strategy?
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Originally Posted by KoJackStevo
The system is this:
- Push All in with AA and KK preflop.
- Limp with all other pairs QQ-22, only to flop a set, if flopped a set, push all-in.
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so we are sticking completely and utterly to this, as in i'm not allowed to make any continuations, i'm not allowed to ever raise anything besides AA, KK? and i have to fold AK? I took it more as a guideline than a strict set of rules.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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KoJackStevo
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08-23-2005, 04:16 PM
Post subject: Re: Easy Cash Game Strategy?
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Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
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Originally Posted by KoJackStevo
The system is this:
- Push All in with AA and KK preflop.
- Limp with all other pairs QQ-22, only to flop a set, if flopped a set, push all-in.
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so we are sticking completely and utterly to this, as in i'm not allowed to make any continuations, i'm not allowed to ever raise anything besides AA, KK? and i have to fold AK? I took it more as a guideline than a strict set of rules. |
You dont do anything else, Not even play AK, im not saying its a good strategy, i just read it somewhere and thought i'd see what others think.
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BIGandRICH
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mmm ok.. then i dont see it as a great winner, but i cant see it losing you much.. but i dont have stats on it, and i would be surprised if anyone here does.. maybe it would work ok if you really picked the right game for it..??
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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Lukie
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I guess this could work if you were playing against people who were really, REALLY awful. In practice, I think your strategy would be profitable at low-stakes NL games.
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EricE
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I really think that at the micros you would make a profit. I don't think you would make too much but you could overcome the blinds, if only a little. An all-in on the flop rarely gets called. All-in PF can expect to be called maybe 1 out of 6 times.
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Laeelin
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I think you can make good money with that strat.
Only at < $25 NL on most sites though..
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jmontis
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yea that's a very low level cash game strategy, and really isn't even that good. Low variance is low variance, you won lose much, but you won't make much either
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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jukejointroach
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this can work in LIMIT games. provided you can build a decent pot when you get those hands. in no limit, waiting for those is gonna hurt you, cause some jackass is gonna call and catch with 89s or some other equally lame shit.
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Laeelin
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Originally Posted by jukejointroach
this can work in LIMIT games. provided you can build a decent pot when you get those hands. in no limit, waiting for those is gonna hurt you, cause some jackass is gonna call and catch with 89s or some other equally lame shit.
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That makes so sense ... thats EXACTLY what your after.
I'd never need to play any other preflop hands if I had one (or more) caller(s) when I went all in preflop with AA/KK.
sometimes I would get sucked out on, but most of the time I'd win stack after stack.
PS: this would be about the worse possible way to play limit.
at least it would make some money in NL
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I think it will lose money because you're pushing on same-suit flops with trips, where you need to catch a full house if someone calls you or win a small pot if no one does. Same thing with flops like 7-8-9
If someone has a straight, they call, if not, they fold.
Bottom line: it probably won't overcome the rake.
People here are too optimistic. In fact, you'll be paying more than an orbit's worth to actually get ANY of those hands, and even then you're waiting for a set with most of them. So you're paying something like 20BB for each set you catch and you're not guaranteed a call.
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kdm3nac3
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I was doing that for $50 NL tables, it was working pretty well, made about $600 b4 I hit tilt.
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I h8 online poker.
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Checkways
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08-24-2005, 09:19 AM
Post subject: Re: Easy Cash Game Strategy?
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Straight
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Sound really boring if that's all that you do. Plus, it will probably retard the player's development.
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Seabass
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For new players it might be a good strategy to start out playing with to get a feal for the game. As they dont get into tricky hands where they dont know what to do. That being said, your game wont go anywhere and there is better ways to make money at nl holdem cash games.
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Zinnsoldaten
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Originally Posted by Seabass
For new players it might be a good strategy to start out playing with to get a feal for the game. As they dont get into tricky hands where they dont know what to do. That being said, your game wont go anywhere and there is better ways to make money at nl holdem cash games.
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BIGandRICH
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Originally Posted by Seabass
For new players it might be a good strategy to start out playing with to get a feal for the game. As they dont get into tricky hands where they dont know what to do. That being said, your game wont go anywhere and there is better ways to make money at nl holdem cash games.
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I think it would be risky for new players, at low stakes the flopped sets will get called by big draws, and sooner or later a bad run will come about and tilt will set in in a big way, and from there a new inexpierienced player may drop an entire bankroll. though ofcourse that is always a risk. Just my thoughts that tilt would be more of a problem with this strategy.
And i agree that it would mess up player development, with such a strict strategy giving no room for experimentation, and for progress you have to try things out.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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a500lbgorilla
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Play a 25 bet stack, and open push AQs and AKo/s and it might be a winner. Who knows. Also, lol at 100k hands. If anyone wasted that kind of time on something like this, I'd die laughing.
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storm75m
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Buy in for $10, push AKs/o and QQ as well, limp all other PP's and high suited connectors, and I definitely think you have a winner at the lower limits. Since it's so easy you can probably get away with 6 tabling full-ring too... I wouldn't mind trying this for a couple of hours...
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Jimmy Mac
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This thread is from a while back, and discusses a similar "all in or fold pre-flop" strategy for NL ring.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1406
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albanat0r
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Originally Posted by jukejointroach
this can work in LIMIT games. provided you can build a decent pot when you get those hands. in no limit, waiting for those is gonna hurt you, cause some jackass is gonna call and catch with 89s or some other equally lame shit.
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umm he said ALL-IN pf didnt he? if you did this in limit i think you will get utterly defeated, considering you cant push.. you cant cap unless someone is either relaly aggressive or has something
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The_Cheat
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there is no easy cash game stragety.
bottom line is this, if you dont think, you dont win.
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I used to do this at full table $25 and $50NL games all the time when doing homework. Set farming was a great way to 4 table and get paid for doing my math last year. Nobody will ever notice and you'll get action. Taking one person's stack makes up for a lot of blinds at a NL game. You might not learn much, but you will learn discipline. At the worst of my times, I even folded AK. Good table selection might even make this workable at 100NL.
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