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DoanDiggy
Old 12-08-2008, 10:09 PM     Post subject: Dude started shoving like every hand (now reformatted) #1 (permalink)  
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I pretty much ripped through my $20 bankroll against this guy. Did I make any glaring errors?

I'm going to include hands that show how awesome this guy (Superhero) and the guy sitting to his left (Archenemy) are, along with the ones that I was in. In the hands I was in, I'll hide the board and show any hands with the results hidden. The game is $.01/$.02

MP3 ($4.94)
Superhero (CO) ($3.73)
Archenemy (Button) ($4.36)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($3)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($4.96)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($6.38)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 6
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Superhero raises to $0.08, Archenemy calls $0.08, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.27) 4, 2, 3 (3 players)
MP2 checks, Superhero bets $0.16, Archenemy raises to $4.28 (All-In), 1 fold, Superhero calls $3.49 (All-In)

Results:
Archenemy had 4, Q (one pair, fours).
Superhero had K, 10 (high card, King).
Outcome: Archenemy won $7.22


UTG ($7.77)
Superhero (UTG+1) ($3)
Archenemy (MP1) ($7.75)
Hero (MP2) ($5)
CO ($2.97)
Button ($4.96)
SB ($2)
BB ($6.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, 7
1 fold, Superhero raises to $3 (All-In), Archenemy calls $3, 2 folds, Button calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.03) 4, 7, 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Archenemy bets $4.75 (All-In), Button calls $1.96 (All-In)

Total pot: $12.95 | Rake: $0.60

Results:
Button mucked K, K (one pair, Kings).
Superhero mucked 9, Q (high card, Ace).
Archenemy had 4, J (two pair, Jacks and fours).
Outcome: Archenemy won $12.35


BB ($7.77)
Superhero (UTG) ($3)
Archenemy (UTG+1) ($15.14)
Hero (MP1) ($5)
MP2 ($2.97)
CO ($2)
Button ($2)
SB ($6.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9, 2
Superhero raises to $3 (All-In), Archenemy calls $3, 6 folds

Results:
Superhero had K, 4 (one pair, Jacks).
Archenemy had 10, 3 (one pair, Jacks).
Outcome: Superhero won $5.73


SB ($7.75)
Superhero (BB) ($5.73)
Archenemy (UTG) ($12.14)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5)
MP1 ($2.97)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($2)
Button ($6.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9, A
Archenemy calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 5 folds, Superhero raises to $5.73 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $4.92 (All-In)


Results:
Superhero had Ad, Qd (two pair, Queens and Jacks).
Hero mucked 9, A (one pair, Jacks).


Button ($7.74)
Superhero (SB) ($10.26)
Archenemy (BB) ($12.12)
Hero (UTG) ($5)
UTG+1 ($2.97)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($2)
CO ($6.27)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 3
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.08, 1 fold, Superhero calls $0.07, Archenemy calls $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.32) 9, 7, 5 (4 players)
Superhero bets $0.22, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.22, CO raises to $0.44, Superhero calls $0.22, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.42) 10 (2 players)
Superhero bets $0.11, CO calls $0.11

River: ($1.64) J (2 players)
Superhero bets $0.02, CO calls $0.02

Total pot: $1.68 | Rake: $0.05

Results:
Superhero had 4, K (high card, King).
CO had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: CO won $1.63


CO ($7.74)
Superhero (Button) ($9.61)
Archenemy (SB) ($12.04)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($2.97)
UTG+1 ($1.70)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($7.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 9
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.08, 2 folds, Superhero raises to $9.61 (All-In), Archenemy raises to $12.04 (All-In), Hero calls $4.98 (All-In), 2 folds

Results:
Superhero had Js, Qc (one pair, Jacks).
Archenemy had Ah, Qh (high card, Ace).
Hero mucked A, 9 (high card, Ace).


MP2 ($7.74)
Superhero (CO) ($23.12)
Archenemy (Button) ($2.43)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($5)
UTG ($1.70)
UTG+1 ($2)
MP1 ($7.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 3
4 folds, Superhero raises to $0.08, Archenemy raises to $2.43 (All-In), 2 folds, Superhero calls $2.35

Results:
Archenemy had A, 6 (one pair, Aces).
Superhero had 2, 7 (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Archenemy won $4.69


MP2 ($7.74)
Superhero (CO) ($20.69)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($5)
BB ($1.70)
UTG ($2)
MP1 ($7.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A
3 folds, Superhero raises to $20.69 (All-In), Hero calls $5 (All-In), 2 folds

Results:
Hero had J, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
Superhero had Ks, Kc (two pair, Kings and Queens).


UTG+1 ($7.74)
Superhero (MP1) ($15.69)
MP2 ($3)
Hero (MP3) ($9.53)
CO ($5)
Button ($5)
SB ($1.68)
BB ($2)
UTG ($7.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Superhero raises to $15.69 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $9.53 (All-In), CO (poster) calls $4.98 (All-In), 4 folds

Results:
Superhero had Jh, Js (two pair, Jacks and threes).
Hero mucked A, K (one pair, threes).
CO had Ac, Ah (two pair, Aces and threes).


He got mad that someone called him with AA (I know, the nerve!), so he sat out for a few hands. When he came back, he changed things up a bit and started saving most of his craziness for postflop.


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MP2 ($7.71)
Superhero (MP3) ($14.77)
CO ($2.85)
Hero (Button) ($2.44)
SB ($14.33)
BB ($5.28)
UTG ($1.45)
UTG+1 ($2.12)
MP1 ($7.23)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 4
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Superhero raises to $0.22, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.69) 2, K, 8 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Superhero bets $0.44, UTG raises to $1.23 (All-In), 1 fold, Superhero calls $0.79

Results:
UTG had J, Q (high card, King).
Superhero had Q, 6 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Superhero won $3.01

I have eliminated 3 consecutive hands where he raised it up pretty big preflop either just taking down the blinds, or getting one caller and overbetting the flop to take it down then.


Button ($7.41)
Superhero (SB) ($16.70)
BB ($2.85)
Hero (UTG) ($2.44)
UTG+1 ($14.32)
MP1 ($5.24)
MP2 ($2.11)
CO ($0.97)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2, 5
5 folds, Button calls $0.02, Superhero raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.36) 10, 2, 3 (3 players)
Superhero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.68) 9 (2 players)
Superhero said, "u should fold scott"
Superhero said, "cause i dont"
Superhero bets $0.44, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.68 | Rake: $0

Results:
Superhero didn't show
Outcome: Superhero won $0.68


CO ($7.29)
Superhero (Button) ($17.10)
SB ($2.57)
Hero (BB) ($2.44)
UTG ($14.32)
UTG+1 ($5.24)
MP1 ($2.11)
MP2 ($0.97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, A
5 folds, Superhero raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.09, Hero raises to $2.44 (All-In), Superhero raises to $17.10 (All-In), 1 fold

Results:
Superhero mucked Qd, 7c (high card, Queen).
Hero had 9, A (one pair, nines).


We then had another hand where he took it down postflop. And then a hand where he folded! He said that he had 72o, the only hand he wouldn't play. The next hand he took the blinds down again. Then we had this next one. Maybe after this I should have begun to adjust my strategy against him, I'm not sure.


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UTG+1 ($7.29)
Superhero (MP1) ($14.86)
MP2 ($2.52)
Hero (MP3) ($4.75)
CO ($14.29)
Button ($4.97)
SB ($5.22)
BB ($2)
UTG ($0.97)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, J
2 folds, Superhero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.75 (All-In), 5 folds


UTG ($7.29)
Superhero (UTG+1) ($14.76)
MP1 ($2.52)
Hero (MP2) ($4.88)
MP3 ($14.29)
CO ($4.97)
Button ($5.21)
SB ($2)
BB ($0.97)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, Q
1 fold, Superhero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.88 (All-In), 4 folds, BB calls $0.95 (All-In), 1 fold


He had been letting people see flops, so I thought KQ would have pretty good implied odds for that 25%+ of the time that I pair up on the flop. When he shoved, I was really close to folding, but then I thought I held up pretty well against his range. Unfortunately, I think he might've changed gears on me. I think I should have been able to get away from this one.


SB ($7.29)
Superhero (BB) ($14.64)
UTG ($2.52)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5.88)
MP1 ($14.29)
MP2 ($4.97)
CO ($5.21)
Button ($2)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, K
1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, 5 folds, Superhero raises to $14.64 (All-In), Hero calls $5.86 (All-In)

Results:
Superhero had 9c, 9h (two pair, nines and fours).
Hero mucked Q, K (one pair, fours).


I think that my main mistake was that after my withdrawal last week, I wasn't bankrolled to hang around with this guy. Other than that, he was either playing me really well, or I was just getting extremely unlucky to keep running into the very top of his range.

Fortunately, before I sat at that table and went broke, I had registered for a $1.10 MTT. I finished 258th good for $2.25, so we'll what I can grind that into .
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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First off, don't post results. The regs don't like it.
Second, redo this post with the hand converter. See the link to your left.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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OK... I just thought it important for everyone to see the kinds of hands he was shoving with. I'll cut it and convert it later on after I finish this tournament I'm in.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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That's cool, but it really doesn't matter. The thread title pretty much sums up all we need to know about the villan. He's a spew monkey. You should be getting it all in with this guy at the best opportunities. I'll take this guy to showdown with mid pair every time. Betting into players like this is always +EV, but you have to have the bankroll to ride the swings. $20 isn't enough to gut it in this situation.

I was up against a guy like this earlier today, and was down 2 BIs before it turned around. I left up 2 BIs. If you don't like the swings, play it tight, and you'll still get your opportunity, if someone else doesn't stack him first.
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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1. convert
2. don't post results
3. no one's going to read this if you don't even convert. i read past the first hand and was like screw this, too hard to read
4. try picking out a few key hands, instead of a huge list of them
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:14 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 5. Please post hands you were involved in.
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:18 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 results in this post kind of matter, we need to see what donkey boy is shoving with.

but yes, too many hands in one post. looks like you handled yourself well expect that AQ hand i wouldn't shove all-in, make a standard re-raise and hope the spew tard shoves over you.

edit - sick cooler when you pick up ak!

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Old 12-08-2008, 11:47 PM #8 (permalink)  
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you can convert WITH results
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:17 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 Thank you for formatting for our viewing pleasure. I did actually read it unmodified, but I'm insane and wanted to prove AFchung wrong.
Some crazy times you had there. I love games like this, big money to be made if you get the right hands. Too bad your AK didn't make it...

One thing, I think A9 is a little weak to be calling all-ins with, especially the hand with two already shoving their chips in...
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:35 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Thank you for formatting for our viewing pleasure. I did actually read it unmodified, but I'm insane and wanted to prove AFchung wrong.
Thank you, I appreciate that.

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One thing, I think A9 is a little weak to be calling all-ins with, especially the hand with two already shoving their chips in...
Yeah, I think I went a little nuts there after I saw Superhero shove Q9s and Archenemy call with J4o. Certainly A9 would've fared well in that particular instance, but I just Pokerstoved A9o against top 60% (for shover) and top 75% (for caller: J4o is near the bottom of this), and I'm barely over 38%. Interestingly, A9s is over 41%. But still, not really the best place to get my chips in.
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1. Don't withdraw when you're at the low stakes
grind up to NL100 and then you can make that amount in one hand

2. Don't buy in for $5 if they're shoving crap PF
it's good if you're rolled for it, but just buy in for $2 and stack off with your A9 hands if you have a small BR
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Old 12-09-2008, 04:55 AM #12 (permalink)  
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1. Don't withdraw when you're at the low stakes
grind up to NL100 and then you can make that amount in one hand
I wish that was possible, but I already borrowed from my roommate to pay the rent. When I got up to $630, I thought I'd be reasonably safe to take out $500 and drop in stakes (but only have about 15 buy-ins). Of course, I was mistaken in that assumption.

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2. Don't buy in for $5 if they're shoving crap PF
it's good if you're rolled for it, but just buy in for $2 and stack off with your A9 hands if you have a small BR
This is a great idea that I didn't think of until after the fact. My thinking was that with my premiums, I'd want to be able to get as many chips as possible. But since I was pushing my edges with hands like A9 and KQs, playing shorter would have definitely been a better idea.
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