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Peja
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08-17-2005, 12:06 AM
Post subject: Dry Streak?
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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When playing 9-10 person cash games and you get a horrible streak of cards as well as your cards not holding up, do you guys just cash out? Or do you try to play through it.
Another thing that came up as i was playing the .25-.50 NL cash games.
I feel the risk-reward balance is bad. If you dont pick up a hand for a while, i feel the value of the pot rarely makes up for that dry streak thus you losing more money than gaining unless you get somewhat lucky picking up a good string of cards. ANyone else feel like this?
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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I never cash out becasue I like to learn to play through the tilt which ensues. Besides, realisticly there's no reason for a bad streak of cards ie. how long you're sitting at your table or whatever. The only reason to leave is to clear your head.
I've only played as high as 100NL and I don't really find the risk vs reward that different. If anything it's better because the fishies seem to have problems recognizing straights.
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lamaros
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if you tilt then yeah, if you're getting tired or playing bad or it's hard table then yeah. otherwise no.
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biondino
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By definition, a dry streak is in the past. Past cards have no bearing whatsoever on future ones. If you start feeling the cards are against you because you're not getting good hands, then you're treating rational logic in an irrational way and you're on your way to becoming a loser.
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vegaas2
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Join Date: May 2005
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Originally Posted by biondino
By definition, a dry streak is in the past. Past cards have no bearing whatsoever on future ones. If you start feeling the cards are against you because you're not getting good hands, then you're treating rational logic in an irrational way and you're on your way to becoming a loser.
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True, but when you have been sitting there for what seems like hours without any decent cards to play, you start to feel like the cards just arent going to be there for you today.
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Ram and Jam!
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PokerPatNEU
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Originally Posted by vegaas2
True, but when you have been sitting there for what seems like hours without any decent cards to play, you start to feel like the cards just arent going to be there for you today.
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If you start to feel that way...realize that you're feeling something that is not a matter of feelings. Its a matter of statistics. Every hand is independent of the last and independent of the next. You could get 72o 10000000000000000000 times in a row, and then the next hand...........Get it again, or get 9cJh, or As2d! Its random. When you start to get a "dry streak" its just your conception of the last bunch of hands. The next hand could be teh beggining of a hot streak. Or the beginning of a medium streak. But one thing is certain: its just going to be a random 2 cards that have nothing to do with the hands you were dealt before it.
If you're starting to tilt because you're in a bad mood, take a break. If you have the self control to tell yourself "Self, lets just play the game as best as i can, because the cards i've had so far don't affect anything from this point forward."
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underminedsk
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Dry streaks can have bad effects on your game if you are prone to tilting. One of the most devestating probelms about dry streaks is that when you acutally do get your hand, you might want to overvalue it. Say after an hour of garbage, you finally get KK. You think, FINALLY, its payday! But will you be able to fold it if you have to while you are in this mentality? I know I personally do this sometimes, although I think im getting better at it. Multitabling helps alot too, keeps me from getting bored.
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jmontis
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Peja is actually very close to the truth here, the risk vs rewards CAN be horrible in a lot of cash games, if they aren't good conditions. This is why tournaments and SNGs are so popular, the action and risk vs reward are high.
A few realities about online cash game poker:
1. Your edge needs to be better than the average players at your table. The "Rounders" saying if you can't spot the sucker at the first half hour, then you are the sucker, is very real.
2. Deep money and big betting is a must. You do not make money at weak tight, short stack tables, so avoid them. You make money at the tables where people cold call big raises, push with very weak hands, and play bad hands (and stay in) to raises.
1 fishy cash game might yield the same profit as quad tabling 4 tighter games. You cards "not holding up" is nothing you can control, but finding the best games is .
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Greedo017
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Originally Posted by jmontis
1 fishy cash game might yield the same profit as quad tabling 4 tighter games.
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I would go so far as to say that even at a tight table, one ultra-fish can make that table better than 4 tight games, especially if the fish doubles or triples up early and is basically just a money dispenser for the next couple hours.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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thats my point, and with the dry streak, i dont go on tilt easily, but i cannot call raises with shit, thus essentially getting blinded off. Yea, if its only 20 bucks in a .25-.50 table, its .75 a rotation but when you cant call with shit....that adds up and eats at your stack. That's my whole point, not about going on tilt or anything.
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SinkRox
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if you stick to bankroll management then the blinds wont 'eat u up' they'll be quite insignificant to your actual BR
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Miffed22001
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I'd just keep playing within the br each day and moving to diferent tables until i find something i like.
It changes you just have to stay patient and resonably tight.
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Lol the blinds are insignificant, but 25 cents and 50 cents can add up, damn well, over time. Why would i waste my buy in of 25-30 bucks on that table if i am not getting anything and that brings me to the risk vs reward factor. I get low after waiting 1 hour for any decent hand, i win an average pot of 12 bucks lets say, even less, like 8, and im still way below what i started....It doesn't work out unless you get the cards.
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BIGandRICH
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Originally Posted by Peja
Lol the blinds are insignificant, but 25 cents and 50 cents can add up, damn well, over time. Why would i waste my buy in of 25-30 bucks on that table if i am not getting anything and that brings me to the risk vs reward factor. I get low after waiting 1 hour for any decent hand, i win an average pot of 12 bucks lets say, even less, like 8, and im still way below what i started....It doesn't work out unless you get the cards.
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learn LAGG .. and win without the cards aswell as with them.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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I dont give a fuck if you're gus hansen or stu ungar, you are not calling raises and reraising with 6-2 at a full ring game on a consistent basis and winning...
Note: Is there a thread on here that explains the various styles in detail just for reference.
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BIGandRICH
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Originally Posted by Peja
I dont give a fuck if you're gus hansen or stu ungar, you are not calling raises and reraising with 6-2 at a full ring game on a consistent basis and winning...
Note: Is there a thread on here that explains the various styles in detail just for reference. |
hahaha.. 62? no that wouldnt be to sensible, when i say lagg, that doesnt mean any 2 cards... and i wouldnt suggest playing completely LAGG at a full ring anyway, particularly at .25/.5, you've got to mix the different strategies together, changing up from hand to hand depending on the players in that given hand. In full ring when i'm on a dry streak like you speak of I use the Lagg stuff to keep my stack up, so i'm not being "eaten by the blinds." If you are getting a whole $20-30 blinded out of you your probably doing something wrong in a TAGG sense anyway i think.. but ofcourse i cant really say without seeing hand histories and such.
There are some good posts on Lagg play that i know of so i'll post the links in a minute when i find them
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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BIGandRICH
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jazz Club
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right..
these apply more to 6max but i think some of it can apply to full ring if you pick the right hands to do it on, remembering that if you are playing specifically more TAGG you will have a solid image and you Lagg style raises will have more respect.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...728&highlight=
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=16875
note: I am not yet a strong lagg player so i wont make comment on exactly how i think it should be done.. but I found the advice from the other guys quite useful.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 86
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I usually play the 1/2 but i gave all my money from my account back to my brother for personal reasons and what not, so yea, I know how to contorl the tables and mix styles however, there has been periods of time, hours, in which if i see a face card it is accompanied by a 2,3,4 and isnt suited. usually at a big game, there is always a raise somewhere so there is no reason nor a chance for me to get into the pot. The funny thing is, even when i fold hands, it didn't flop anything.
The streak ended though and im back up and wrecking the tables but i hope you understand more what i mean now.
I'm not saying there isnt something wrong with my play as there might be, but i kid you not about the cards i got lol...
BTW thanks for the links, ill take a look at them tomorrow its 4:51 AM here lol...Need some sleep.
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BIGandRICH
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Jazz Club
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yeh i see what ya mean, I do think though that when those runs are happening you can atleast maintain your stack or only lose a little, I guess thats more what you were saying anyway.. a dry streak as apposed to a losing streak.
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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