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Old 04-17-2009, 10:15 PM     Post subject: Downswing session HH #1 (permalink)  
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fack me this is gruuuueling. Here's some grim hands for y'all to comment on. If people could numerically list their comments rather than just say the KK hand etc.

I'm going to weaktight them so you can have a go at putting villain on ranges etc. then decide for yourself if you want to see the results (irresistable though).

ONE
http://weaktight.com/1003750
Was getting called too much and got sick of it so shoved. In retrospect i'd have put his calling rage as 33, spades, 77-QQ which i mainly crush but specifically if i had to i'd say he has 33 here. I should have checked and if they shoved, assume they flopped a set. Again.

TWO
http://weaktight.com/1003761
Villain has clubs every time here. We'll never know. Dude was a complete station hence the original large PFR and so was the other guy. I always assume a flat call followed by a shove on this turn card is the flush, my agro betting would have given him good implied odds?

THREE
http://weaktight.com/1003762
Yeah, see above. I used to call these thinking.. naaah, they don't have it. They fuckin do. I now fold.

FOUR
http://weaktight.com/1003765
This may have been tilt. Just constant doubt as to what the hell they have made me put him on a set or two pair. After i folded he told me he had a king, and asked what i had. I maybe put him on KT there? who knows.

FIVE
http://weaktight.com/1003769
Don't think i had a read on this guy. I checked OOP against the big stack, wanted to know where i stood so i could work the turn better. He was calling me down with magic hands all the time.

SIX
http://weaktight.com/1003772
I put him squarely on JJ here or maaaybe KK. Would have assumed a 3bet with KK though. He calls with JJ coz he has the overcards, then launches when the J hits the river.... yes? no?

SEVEN
http://weaktight.com/1003775
Put him on KT here?

EIGHT
http://weaktight.com/1003777
Didn't play this hand too good, got my money in bad here, but i figured i had so many outs.

NINE
http://weaktight.com/1003782
Again, i think i must have been tilting here, never know where i stand and because of the bad players (hell he did call with J3s) so i put villain on a 6 or 55.
 
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Old 04-17-2009, 10:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1. flop raise is way too small
2. bet/call turn
3. wtf 3x pot overbet why not just shove if you're going to do that
4. w/e I'm not folding
5. don't check flop, fold to turn shove
6. shove flop
7. fine
8. fine
9. lol never fold
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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wow i dont wanna say to much but holllyyyyyy shitt ballss some INSANE plays. y are u folding so much omg im in shock!?!?!?!?

sorry i thought u needed atleast one like real response of what people are thinking so u can make the right play next time plz dont take offence!
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:09 PM #4 (permalink)  
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again thow wonderland if i remember correctly i think u had a really good graph and u are a profiting player.....So this is very informative if u can be a winning player with these folds...helps me fold alot more easily, actually really helpful post. really made me think thanks!!
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 T-rex: I don't really think folding too much is the root of the problem here, it's failing to bet in the right spots, which of course leads to bad folds.

And the root of the failing to bet in the right spots problem would likely be from inexperience with estimating hand ranges.

I could be wrong but this was my consensus after reviewing all the hands and comments.
"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

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Old 04-17-2009, 11:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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dude... if you could look into my eyes and see the sick beats i've taken in the last month, you'd be folding too if you were me. I HAD been calling before and just seeing death in every villain's hand.

Possibly shouldn't though, as spenda points out (where applicable). Must play in the now.

Thanks for the feedback spenda.
 
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Old 04-17-2009, 11:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 dude, how bad you run should not affect your decisions on any future hands you play.
if bet/fold is a better decision than check/fold, yet you do the latter, you do not gain, you lose.

Think in terms of long run expectation, don't just wildy guess what your opponent has. This will result in losing alot of value because you'll c/f too often in spots you should be betting for value.
"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

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Old 04-18-2009, 01:03 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I would suggest reading some of the stickies there are some good read about what micro is talking about. They helped me out alot I love bad beats, they don't even phase me anymore I just lol seems like maybe you are playing under rolled also? because i don't care much about bad beats because I am properly rolled.

DON'T BE RESULT ORIENTATED! Make the right plays over and over again how should the past affect this hand? u have very weak mindset that's all this thought process shows.
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dude... if you could look into my eyes and see the sick beats i've taken in the last month, you'd be folding too if you were me.
Name all the ways that "sick beats" and how to play the current hand are connected to each other. None of your answers can mention emotions.

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Old 04-18-2009, 02:54 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 Start focusing on your leaks instead of "he always has it".
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Old 04-18-2009, 03:00 AM #11 (permalink)  
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dude... if you could look into my eyes and see the sick beats i've taken in the last month, you'd be folding too if you were me.
Name all the ways that "sick beats" and how to play the current hand are connected to each other. None of your answers can mention emotions.

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Old 04-18-2009, 03:05 AM #12 (permalink)  
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cant believe u folded top set against a fish at the micros.
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dude... if you could look into my eyes and see the sick beats i've taken in the last month, you'd be folding too if you were me. I HAD been calling before and just seeing death in every villain's hand.

Possibly shouldn't though, as spenda points out (where applicable). Must play in the now.

Thanks for the feedback spenda.
This post made me think of http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ath-t9214.html
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Old 04-18-2009, 07:47 AM #14 (permalink)  
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cant believe u folded top set against a fish at the micros.
I was deep stacked and my read had him firmly on clubs there. When you bet massively against a fish and they flat it, they're waiting for the next card, he'd have raised if he'd had anything like AK or AA on the flop. I should have bet out and THEN folded though.

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Yeah, reddit. Cep when i calm down and start focusing and playing less tables etc. i'm still getting destroyed by a cocktail of variance and leaks. You know you're running bad when, half an hour into a game you realise you're surrounded by fishy idiots, then an hour later they've taken your money.

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maybe you are playing under rolled also?
I have 40 buy-ins at my stake, read my operations manager. Gonna move up when i get to 30 buy-ins for 10nl. I have a lot of imperfections that i want to iron out before moving up. Too many situations where i'm scratching my head. Hate turn card play, it's hard. Sometimes don't know when not to cbet. Bet sizing is ok but needs improving. Poker mindset if fucked coz of such an evil month, need to buy the book when i can afford it.
 
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Old 04-18-2009, 09:58 PM #15 (permalink)  
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cant believe u check folded top set against a fish at the micros.
FYP

bet/fold if your going to be doing any folding here, though you'd probably be priced to call a shove anyway though I'm just guessing since I didn't re-look at the HH.
"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."

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Old 04-18-2009, 10:45 PM #16 (permalink)  
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 GAWD isn't it just as easy to click the little tab that says FTR on the weaktight page as it is to cut and past the link into your post. I know it is a hell of a lot easier to read your post on one page rather than go back and forth.........IMO
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