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Old 04-02-2009, 01:09 PM #51 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the shoulder shaking Lucothefish,

Weeeell, i wouldn't say i was on scared money, i do feel the bank roll when i bet, and can often make complete bluffs when i feel the time is right. I'm playing around 25-30% vp, although sometimes more like 18%.

I'd be very cautious as soon as i moved up to any stakes though.

But the point remains, i really do need to learn to detach from the outcome.

It just hits me when i've been struggling for hours with bad hands, missed flops, called bluffs and then i hit big but someone else has hit bigger. It's just plain agro.

So in conclusion, i feel i should focus on my game first and my winnings a lot less. As you say, $$ comes with the territory as my skill sharpens.
 
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:44 PM #52 (permalink)  
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Im going through the same thing wonderland. Trying to learn how to ignore my bankroll while playing at the proper level. Just trying to remind myself its the life of a poker player. They can not all be positive days.

Some days running GREAT then the next NOTHING. Just keep at it, we'll get there! Good Luck Friend
 
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:48 PM #53 (permalink)  
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I feel for you, watch some videos and read some articles. Evaluate your game a little more. I know you were going through a rough patch when you kept getting those ladies but that does not mean you should be folding them when you see dry flops against unknown villians. I'm not saying play them everytime but im sure you were a huge favorite at least 1 of the 3 times in not two. Even in the midst of a downswing you will win some pots!!! Depending on the players at the table and position should dictate to you how you should be playing those pp's and sc's. Read some 6 man strategy guides. Stick through the downswing man it wont last forever. gl
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:22 AM #54 (permalink)  
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yeah, for the record i'm out of the downswing.

I had a downswing, then things went good, then a longish period of zig zags that i thought would never end. Now i'm finally rolled for 10nl.

But i'm starting to think less about heaters or coolers and more about how the hell i can improve my game. Videos are the best way for me to learn, as long as the person doing them is clear and concise. So i'll stick with 5nl for a bit.
 
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:33 AM #55 (permalink)  
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Get a membership over at grinderschool.com wonderland just got mine last night ^_^ Looking forward to loading up on videos here soon.
 
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Old 04-03-2009, 12:54 PM #56 (permalink)  
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well, how funny you should say that. I'm off work sick today and just got comped a month at grinderschool coz i was owed a small favour.

So i just watched a nice 10nl vid and also grabbed a lecture on 3betting.

I'd say post 10nl (as in once 5nl is being beated well or has been beaten) one needs to factor in a vid sight budget.

then for 25 at least (possibly 50) one has to start to think about a coach.
 
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well, how funny you should say that. I'm off work sick today and just got comped a month at grinderschool coz i was owed a small favour.

So i just watched a nice 10nl vid and also grabbed a lecture on 3betting.

I'd say post 10nl (as in once 5nl is being beated well or has been beaten) one needs to factor in a vid sight budget.

then for 25 at least (possibly 50) one has to start to think about a coach.
The part about a video site, yea, I agree with that.

A coach on the other hand I don't think you HAVE to have one at 25nl or maybe even 50nl. The only reason I will ever get a coach is if I have taken shots at the next higher level, and I have failed miserably multiple times. Other then that, all you really need is this site, imo. Plenty of people that are better poker players that are willing to share their information for free.
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I'd say post 10nl (as in once 5nl is being beated well or has been beaten) one needs to factor in a vid sight budget.

then for 25 at least (possibly 50) one has to start to think about a coach.
disagree on both points
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Old 04-04-2009, 08:33 AM #59 (permalink)  
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don't expand or anything...
 
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Old 04-04-2009, 12:33 PM #60 (permalink)  
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 On daven's point, we all have to get to a place where we can learn poker and plug our leaks on our own, and some vid sites are better than others at teaching you how to think. If you can learn to learn without videos or a coach, don't pay for it. If coaching/vids help you, then join up. But they certainly aren't necessary for many players.

The disturbing point is that in this entire thread (which I read pretty much all of), no one took issue with the idea that at 5nl "they can show down with anything." Each villain has tendencies and can be "read" if you're paying attention. Just because any one villain can show down anything doesn't mean they all are like that. Some will fold 2nd pair. Most will let you manipulate the pot size. Some jam their draws (but fewer than ought to).

If you're not able to read villains at 5nl, you're not practicing enough and you're not ready for 10nl+. If you want help with the point of this thread, i.e. "beating terrible players," post some HH's where you got lost, try the ranges yourself, and then get some pointers from folks who do practice putting villains on ranges every hand.

I will admit that you can lazily beat 10nl without working on your range reading. I did. But you won't get to 50nl or above without it. Practice, dammit. Practice your ranges every hand.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:22 PM #61 (permalink)  
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 Everybody in this thread:

Shut the f**k up - go play more hands and win some money.

If you cant, you suck and need to do some learning.

Then guess what?

Go play some f**king more hands and win some money

(im the worst for not doing the above)


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BB Hero ($126.05)

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Flop: ($9, 2 players)
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Turn: ($92.30, 2 players)

River: ($92.30, 2 players)

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