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Old 08-30-2006, 05:41 AM     Post subject: Downswing #1 (permalink)  
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Hi,

I am middle of first severe downswing in this year. I make
usually about 1500-2000 a month. This month I have made
only 750.

Worst yet Ive dropped 10 buyins (25NL) in last week. Ive been
sucked out so many times at river and my high pockets
seems never hold up.

This eventually lead to TILT yesterday. My first one in long
time. I usually play 25-50NL but yesterday I played 2 hours
3x100Nl and 1x200 NL. To catch up losses u know
Yea and I played so loose i want to puke, it worked surprisngly
well at start.

Well session was not so bad I ended up losing 130 dollars so
it was just over 1 buyin. I have complete information about
my all sessions and noticed this 130 dollar loss is 4th biggest
loss this year.

So my fellow veterans of poker. What should I do now?
I am starting to think I dont know anything about playing poker.
I am complete sucker who just happened to run well for
8 months etc...

I guess complete break should do good? Right? And then
start with 10NL?

Fuck I never thought this would happen to me :P Only for
other donks

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Old 08-30-2006, 05:46 AM #2 (permalink)  
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the fact that you're still making money should offer hope.
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Old 08-30-2006, 06:00 AM #3 (permalink)  
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not too long ago i was on my worst downswing ever and i posted here saying that i didn't know how to play poker anymore. i assure you...you do know how to play! and yes you are still up so it could be worse. don't ever move up in stakes when on a downswing. i say move down to 10NL til everything feels right again and then go at it like normal. gl man.
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I hate i when ppl complain about downswing but yet are still making profit.Stop whining
 
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:13 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I say move back to 25-50NL instead of being an idiot and trying to make back your losses at higher stakes! Sure take a break but $10 will frustrate you to the point you'll be throwing buyins away left right and centre.
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 08-30-2006, 01:39 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 if you are making $1500-2000/month, why are you playing $25nl and $50nl?
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:07 PM #8 (permalink)  
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if you are making $1500-2000/month, why are you playing $25nl and $50nl?
I have the same question.

The people saying he is making a profit so its not a downswing are not correct [I cant say for a fact in this situation though] on their assumptions. If I dropped 10 buyins at my game over 10k hands but had made 20 in the 20k hands before that, does that immediately mean Im not in a downswing because Im still up?

Anyways, if you are making this much your bankroll can handle it, but it seems like you mentally cannot handle it right now. Take a break for maybe a week, read some good threads and look over your game and then go back to it. Dont go to 10nl, go back to your main game and actually work things out. I think sticking around at these microstakes for so long is going to really stagnate your growth, try to move up this time.
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Old 08-30-2006, 03:55 PM #9 (permalink)  
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ya work things out but once you get 1500-2000 next month don't cash it out...move up!
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Old 08-30-2006, 04:58 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Don't move up if you're not mentally prepared, and clearly if you're player higher limits to win back your losses then you're FAR from prepared.

I'm in the same boat, making a decent amount at £25NL and being rolled for $200NL, and I'm having various stabs at moving up to $100. Three sessions and seven buyins lost latr, I'm pissed off and disillusioned but I'm not giving up quite yet, BUT I am doing my level best at approaching moving up with the right attitude and that is VERY different from playing above your comfort zone through tilty desperation.
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:04 PM #11 (permalink)  
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he should still move up to 50NL with 2000+. being that over-rolled is pretty nice.
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:38 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 This is the braggiest downswing post ever
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:50 PM #14 (permalink)  
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The people saying he is making a profit so its not a downswing are not correct [I cant say for a fact in this situation though] on their assumptions. If I dropped 10 buyins at my game over 10k hands but had made 20 in the 20k hands before that, does that immediately mean Im not in a downswing because Im still up?
U can complain if u are not making profits,----> losing money instead of winning less money.

I was currently down 20 buy ins over 2 months.I have reason to complain.
If ur gonna make a post that u didn't won 2000$ on 25NL or 50NL but 700$ instead during this month, then i really dont think u have reason to make a post about it, and i hope u lose 50 buy ins and quit poker..
 
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:03 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Are you finnish? If so, tervetuloa<3. If u make 1,5-2k a month playing NL25, that's pretty good. How many hands you've played so far and what's ur BB/100 rate?

If u rly can make 2k/month playing NL25, you can't be whining about losing few hundred bucks sometimes... That's still pretty awesome income.

Do you cash out after every month or something, b/c with that kind of income you should be trying to move up in levels and maximize ur profits.
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:23 PM #16 (permalink)  
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it just depends on where you look at the downswing from. if you look at it from the start of the month it doesn't look so bad. if you look at it from the middle of the month it looks bad. who's to say we only judge swings or profit in monthly increments?
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Old 08-30-2006, 08:27 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Old 08-31-2006, 05:56 AM #18 (permalink)  
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If I were you I would do the following:

1) Get down and thank God that I am still up $750 despite this monster 10buyin downswing (let me put this into perspective-I have been playing serious online for a year now and have seen almost 50K hands yet at NL25 I am still down $50;although this was due to a massive downswing myself after being up nearly $175 at one point.I've since switched to Omaha HI/Lo for a break and am up $362 there).


2) TAKE A BREAK FROM POKER!!!!!Or at least from playing. You can watch it on TV and stuff but please stay away from your computer and tables for the next few days. Even if you spend no time reviewing/studying the time away will at least clear your head and probably let you spot some mistakes you made just subconsciencly.

3) That being said; I would spend some time just to go into PT and look over your key hands (esp ones where you got stacked). Post here,you know we're always around to help.

4) Start back off at NL25/NL50 max for a bit. Once you've regained some confidence you can move back to your regular NL100/NL200 games.

5) Also try to mix up some games here and there-Omaha Hi/Lo has been vital in keeping me going with poker and has helped me solidify some concepts I used to miss from my overall poker theory understanding (not jsut limited to Hold Em). Plus the bonuses clear better at Omaha Hi/Lo; and there are less sharks there then there are at Hold Em.

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Old 08-31-2006, 06:02 AM     Post subject: Looking better #19 (permalink)  
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Thank you for your support. I really meant not to brag. I dont think
making 1500 playing poker a month is anything to brag about.
I was quite worried about how quickly u can lose your money
and your integrity when u run into bad beats constantly.

I read some 2+2 yesterday too and there I found this quote
which helped me enormously: "Its not how much u win on
your winning sesssions but its how much u dont lose on
your losing sessions"

Well I went back to my normal game at 25NL yesterday with
very humble attidude. I also tried couple of new things in
my game. I had a real good session and things are looking good.

I have real hard time moving up though. Thought of losing
entire buyin at 100Nl makes me sick. I dont have any problem
losing 50NL buyin though. I guess I am on my way but not as
fast as most of people in this forum.

And once more thanks everyone,
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:23 AM     Post subject: Re: Looking better #20 (permalink)  
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I have real hard time moving up though. Thought of losing
entire buyin at 100Nl makes me sick. I dont have any problem
losing 50NL buyin though. I guess I am on my way but not as
fast as most of people in this forum.
i know i'll require a larger bankroll in terms of buy-ins once i move from 25NL. just keep playing til your so over-rolled it can't possibly bother you lol.
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:43 AM     Post subject: Re: Looking better #21 (permalink)  
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i know i'll require a larger bankroll in terms of buy-ins once i move from 25NL. just keep playing til your so over-rolled it can't possibly bother you lol.

Even with a $5k roll it really hurts to lose $815 (my moving-up-to-$100NL losses so far), believe me...
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5) Also try to mix up some games here and there-Omaha Hi/Lo has been vital in keeping me going with poker and has helped me solidify some concepts I used to miss from my overall poker theory understanding (not jsut limited to Hold Em). Plus the bonuses clear better at Omaha Hi/Lo; and there are less sharks there then there are at Hold Em.

Good luck.
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but the 'change game' advice is good...def worked for me as well...
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i know i'll require a larger bankroll in terms of buy-ins once i move from 25NL. just keep playing til your so over-rolled it can't possibly bother you lol.

Even with a $5k roll it really hurts to lose $815 (my moving-up-to-$100NL losses so far), believe me...
you're seriously that over-rolled?
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Old 08-31-2006, 10:58 PM #24 (permalink)  
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you're seriously that over-rolled?
I have 5K and losing $85 last night at PLOmaha 8 still hrut a little (I'm still up 250BB or so; roughly the whatever $300 I said I was up earlier).

Once I reach 10K though I will be ready for Pl100/PL200 swings galore.
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i know i'll require a larger bankroll in terms of buy-ins once i move from 25NL. just keep playing til your so over-rolled it can't possibly bother you lol.

Even with a $5k roll it really hurts to lose $815 (my moving-up-to-$100NL losses so far), believe me...
man you should really take another shot at 100nl its not much different than 25nl...
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 I have 134 buy ins for the level I'm @. I'd like to move up to, but I think it'll have to take more time. I don't mind clicking away $20 here and there, but clicking away $40 here and there really gets to me.

Don't worry about the downswing, as long as you are still playing the way you were when you were killing it. Take some time off if you have to, change your ways slowly and not rushed. Good luck to you.


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Old 09-02-2006, 06:27 AM #27 (permalink)  
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so you AVERAGE 8000 big blinds a month? Assuming youre playing about 20k hands a month that would mean youre making 40BB/100 hands. VERY IMPRESSIVE/

lol. I never knew the best poker player in the world was playing nl 25. When is the book coming out?

LOL.

Now in real life if you are making 700 a month at nl 25 that is pretty good.

HOWEVER

If you want real advice perhaps you should post your real results.
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 Wow, dude do you play a lot of hours? Because making 1500 a month at 25NL is absolutely crazy. I have a feeling you are young... 22-28
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Id say thats bullshit unles he plays tagon 12 tables 8 hours a day
 
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Id say thats bullshit unles he plays tagon 12 tables 8 hours a day
$2k/month 8 tabling 25NL 4h/day with bonuses should be ridiculously easy. Want to take this up for a $20k bet?
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I think we can agree that its unlikely that this guy not spewing BS. That being said, if some one was 12 tabling 8 hours a day (approx 8000 hands a day, 240000 hands a month) it would be pretty easy to pull 2k off nl 25, about 3bb/100. But i doubt thats the case
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I think we can agree that its unlikely that this guy not spewing BS. That being said, if some one was 12 tabling 8 hours a day (approx 8000 hands a day, 240000 hands a month) it would be pretty easy to pull 2k off nl 25, about 3bb/100. But i doubt thats the case
3bb/100 = 1.5ptBB/100 is a pretty crappy winrate for that level. About 20bb/100 or 10ptBB/100 should be sustainable, at that rate it would take 40000 hands to reach $2000.

I believe him, especially since he is likely counting bonuses which could count for as much as half of his earn.
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I am not bshitting. I run 14 BB/100 I usually play
5 tables and my usual setup is like 3x25NL 1x50NL
and 1x100NL (50 buyin). Sometimes I play 6 tables.

And yes I am active whore too so bonuses is half of my
income.

I play 3 hours a day average.
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I am not even the best ongame. Guys like che gue, vladimir, solybi and rest make probably more than I at 25NL.
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whatever im sure you know best about how much you make. gl
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I am not even the best ongame.
no kidding??

this is turning into a pokertales thread.
i'm obv. the best :P
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So did the time off help? Just curious to see if any of the advice had helped with the downswing.
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I am not bshitting. I run 14 BB/100 I usually play
5 tables and my usual setup is like 3x25NL 1x50NL
and 1x100NL (50 buyin). Sometimes I play 6 tables.

And yes I am active whore too so bonuses is half of my
income.

I play 3 hours a day average.
over how many hands turska?
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I have stats for 75 k hands. I didnt use tracker for 6 months
when they had issues with HHS but I started using
it again last week.

But maybe I just had real good run for months I dont know.

Ive been experimenting with more aggressive style
lately but I think playing passive is more profitable
at 25NL.

And bonuses are significant portion of my income.
Currently I have signed up 500 bonus money this month.
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I have stats for 75 k hands. I didnt use tracker for 6 months
when they had issues with HHS but I started using
it again last week.

But maybe I just had real good run for months I dont know.

Ive been experimenting with more aggressive style
lately but I think playing passive is more profitable
at 25NL.

And bonuses are significant portion of my income.
Currently I have signed up 500 bonus money this month.
so are you 14bb/100 over 75k hands? just wanting to make sure cuz 14bb/100 is really good - as in that's like the highest winrate i've ever heard of for that many hands at 25NL...maybe any level really.
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Post your PT stats and shut us all up
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I dont think posting stats would do any help cause u would
just say I have counterfeited my stats

And I dont think 14BB / 100 is not sustainable any limit
over 25 NL/PL.

There is no need for me to brag about my winrate, I
am 39 years old and father of 3 children for god sake

And btw did u see EasyTs post about his winrate at 3/6
it was over 30 BB/100? Alhtough sample was quite
small it was still impressive!
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:48 AM #46 (permalink)  
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Hmmm, id like to see them anyway.
 
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ya easyt's was super small sample. i really think everyone here would appreciate if you could show us that you've run at 14BB/100 over 75k hands. if that's really the case then you're a SSNL god lol.
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are we talking about big blinds or ptBB/100? I think a good player can do 14ptBB/100 at 25NL if they open their game up and don't play too many tables, but you really shouldn't be playing 25NL if you are capable of that.
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Hey Dislexsik, you're getting smoked right now? You need some help figuring something out? I've been slaughtering those tables. Are you standard Tagg? You gotta ramp up the aggression a tad on those 50NL Full Tilt tables. I can make half a buy in pretty quick just stealing blinds and stealing flops on continuation when in position.

Also, at these tables as a general principle opponents passively call you down with TP, and raise you with better. I often fold TP to a raise against reasonable opponents on these tables. Also, if raised on the flop with better than TP, it's best to jam on the flop for value. let me know, and we can talk about your big hands either way, to see what's going on.
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