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Evilpopcorn
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07-08-2009, 12:18 PM
Post subject: Double barreling at 25NL
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I was looking at the Table Scanner feature in HEM the other night and i was amazed at how many players at 25NL are playing 8+ tables. I also read an article (2007) talking about how to beat weak regualrs. Talking about 2 barreling the **** out of them.
So just to get the discussion started:
1) How much double barreling should i be doing at 25NL?
2) How to spot my "victims" such as weak tight regulars?
3) Would there be situation where if we are making a double barrel would it mean we are almost alwayz forced to jam a river on certain cards ? Veg. villian c/c two streets on a drawy board with the turn and river bricking.
At the moment i i do double barrel but i keep it to the minumum in general. Am curious whether opening up my double barreling game a bit could gain me some more EV at 25NL. Is the gain so small at the moment and weigh that against maybe some increases variance that it doesn't make it worth it ?
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don't barrel weak tight regulars, they have a high flop fold to cbet % and low fold to turn cbet
barrel regulars that float or try to show down second pairs
basically the regulars that have a low fold to cbet%
and sometimes you can barrel drawy flops and c/f river if you think they will raise a draw on the flop, but realize that you have less fold equity and you should jam THE DRAW COMPLETING since your barrel reps a draw
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Evilpopcorn
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Ok now against the regulars who have a low fold to cbet% and the board comes all small card. Lets say 852 and we are in position. Check back to me i put in the Cbet with intention to barrel a broad way card. Now wouldnt my 2nd barrel on say a King be extremely obvious and will still get called down by marginal made hands trying to get to showdown ? So does this mean vs the THINKING low fold to cbet regular that i need to put in the 3rd barrel ?
Man it would help if i had a ton of hands on players. Hate playing readless against people. I mean i have played about 40K hands at 25NL now and only have between 18-20% reads on all the players at one time at the stakes, and this includes players where i have like only 10 hands on.
What you guys think about buying databases ? I have heard about this before.
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852 is a standard check if you're in late position and a cbet from early position
this because in EP we can rep an overpair and even continue on a small card if we feel like it
say it's J52 instead, and you cbet the flop and a king comes on the turn
now yeah, he could probably say "well I have TT and he's repping the king" but if he's making that adjustment, you can make the adjustment of betting AJ on the turn there... so he's getting owned either way
don't buy databases, when you get to NL100+ you'll get more reads on regs because there are less players total
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Evilpopcorn
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don't buy databases, when you get to NL100+ you'll get more reads on regs because there are less players total
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
I believe datamining on Stars is illegal, though I could be wrong here.
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^^^
There's a lot of auto-floats against cbets now, especially when you get flat called and you're oop. You LOVE to see those guys whose fold to cbet stat is like 20% but who rarely raise it up. Like IOPQ says, they're your target. Barreling broadway cards is good and anything that looks like it would be hard to connect with his range.
But don't get carried away. You may find a spot to fire the 2nd barrel only once every 200 hands - you don't have to 2-barrel every round or anything.
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