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RevolverX
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05-13-2006, 01:44 AM
Post subject: Donk all-ins.
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Straight
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We've all been there. We hit TPTK on the flop in OOP, bet 50% of the pot, and then some donk goes allin with his entire stack (say around $8-10).
During a five hour session today, this happened a total of twelve times. All I can do is look at the flop and think, he hit trips with pocket pairs, or has two pairs, and I fold it. I realize the way to beat these ATM machines is to kill them with a monster hand, but honestly, how often do you find yourself in a position where you have the best hand on the flop, hands down (like you flopped a full house) and then the donk who happened to call on the preflop goes allin.
Never had it happened once 
How do you guys deal with these players? It's such a gamble to call their big all in, because at these stakes they either are bluffing, or they dont know how to bet properly when they have a monster.
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crushednuts
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I like to draw against these guys. For example: KQ on a board of JT2 and you hit the Ace on the turn. Now the Donk is likely to pay you his entire stack. Additionally, Sets are amazing against these morons. wait until they bump it like 3-5x the bb (assuming you both have 13-20x the raise) and then cold call w/ your pockets and spike a set. They are very liable to throw all their money at you when they have TPTK. Your profit comes from folding TPTK against these morons when they pay you off. Easy as pie...
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RevolverX
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Straight
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I'm talking about a different kind of donk. These are donks that you cant read, and they go all in out of nowhere. They'll call your preflop raise, and they'll either all in it at the flop, or all in at the turn. It's so random because it's out of nowhere.
Example:
Today had AK, preflop raised 4x, donk calls, BB mini reraises, I reraise 4x, donk calls, BB folds.
Flop comes. K 7 4 Pot is at $3.50 or so. I bet $2 knowing I had TPTK. Donk goes all in with his entire stack of $12.60.
Wtf?
All I can do at this point is look at the board and say well he could have 77, 44, or 74, or maybe hes bluffing. I folded.
THESE are the types of donks I'm talking about
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Lukie
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min reraise preflop is like classic super-donk playing AA/KK........
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Lukie
min reraise preflop is like classic super-donk playing AA/KK........
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QFT
If you see a guy slowplay a monster (whether preflop or postflop), and on later hands he pushes, you can be damn sure it's not the nuts though.. however, some guys just camp and only push the nuts. So you need a read to know which particular flavor of donk you're up against here.
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jameseyb
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More than one flavour? That's really scary.
Jack, I see your point. If you have a good (but not great) hand and you want to protect it against a dangerous flop, what better way than to flood the pot with a push knowing full well that _most_ people will have faired worse than you with the flop and will be unlikely to call.
Crazy, and bad in the long run, but would they be thinking about the long run?
J
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by RevolverX
Flop comes. K 7 4 Pot is at $3.50 or so. I bet $2 knowing I had TPTK. Donk goes all in with his entire stack of $12.60.
Wtf?
All I can do at this point is look at the board and say well he could have 77, 44, or 74, or maybe hes bluffing. I folded.
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Dude grow a sack and instacall this shit. Every overbet he makes lowers his range, and pair of kings ace kicker is looking pretty good.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
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Originally Posted by RevolverX
Flop comes. K 7 4 Pot is at $3.50 or so. I bet $2 knowing I had TPTK. Donk goes all in with his entire stack of $12.60.
Wtf?
All I can do at this point is look at the board and say well he could have 77, 44, or 74, or maybe hes bluffing. I folded.
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Dude grow a sack and instacall this shit. Every overbet he makes lowers his range, and pair of kings ace kicker is looking pretty good. |
agreed. if you fold here often it is extremely weak-tight and a leak. you can't wait for the nuts every time.
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cardsman1992
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It seems like every time I call this all-in with TPTK I get beat.
Maybe not every time, but my god, it sure seems like it....
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RevolverX
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Straight
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Originally Posted by cardsman1992
It seems like every time I call this all-in with TPTK I get beat.
Maybe not every time, but my god, it sure seems like it....
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Agreed. And the worst part is when I lose, I go on tilt and lose even more money hehe.
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ChezJ
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
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Originally Posted by RevolverX
Dude grow a sack and instacall this shit. Every overbet he makes lowers his range, and pair of kings ace kicker is looking pretty good.
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not to mention that even if you are up against 2pr, you have redraws to beat him.
did it ever occur to you that the reason it happened to you 12 times is that you folded to aggression 11 times?
finally, what is up with the 1/2 pot bet on the flop? bet the pot and maybe they will give you credit for having a hand. i would only bet 1/2 the pot against a maniac if i was intentionally trying to induce an all-in from him.
ChezJ
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