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Turska
Old 05-09-2006, 06:40 AM     Post subject: Does this idea suck 25NL? (TPTK play) #1 (permalink)  
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Hi,

Ive been playing for over a year now. I recently acquired PokerTracker
and have now 10000 hands database. I am Semi-Loose/aggressive/passive and play at 25 NL. Currently im running
14.5 BB / 100. Im winning player at all positions except BB.

I like my stats but I want to improve my TPTK cause my biggest
loser is one pair play. So i was walking in the woods last night and
came up with this idea.

Idea is: I will pay TPTK predefine amount of dollars, no more.
At 25 NL this amount is 8 dollars. If my pf raise is 1 dollar
i wont give sethunters odds to play me because they need
at least 10 dollars. So i try to control pot in that way that
I will bet a maximum 8 dollars with TPTK.

Situations when I lose with TPTK is when i run into set, ragged 2pr
or fl/str draws.

My game goes on like this:

PF raise 4xBB-6xBB 1-1.5 dollar (usually 2-3 callers)

I bet flop 1/2-2/3 with TPTK (2-4 dollars). Smooth call
here rings a warning bell. Re-raise I will call for max total
8 dollars.)

Turn: if smooth calls I will bet whats left at 8 dollar so
typically 3-4 dollars. Fold to reraise. If called check the
river. Fold to significant action.

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Old 05-09-2006, 12:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Yes it does.
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Old 05-09-2006, 01:04 PM #3 (permalink)  
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TPTK is not straight forward. You need to know what kind of opp you are against. If you jack it up preflop and get called my a nut camping multitabler then you need to proceed with caution. When you cbet the flop and he calls, a set is very likely. Fire the second barrell on the turn, but be prepared to let it go. If your cbet gets called by a calling station, fire all 3 barrells unless reads tell you otherwise.
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Old 05-09-2006, 03:14 PM #4 (permalink)  
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When looking in the misc stats tab in pokertracker, make sure you click the box at the right that says Show only hands that were not folded is checked. It will change the numbers significantly.
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Old 05-09-2006, 04:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think rules like this are a good start to reigning in your TP play. You can't say you will cut off at a flat $8 though because poker doesn't play like that. For instance, what if the river call requires you to put in $9...are you going to fold? No, and you shouldn't (sometimes).

In general I think you can make a rule for yourself that you are (on average) willing to commit XBB to your TPTK and let it go if the action gets too heavy. That will lead you down the right path to playing it correctly. Note that there are rare times when taking TPTK all in for a full stack is correct play but you shouldn't try and spot these times until you have a lot of experience.

I made similar rules for myself when I was starting out and it helped a lot.
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Say I raise pre flop with AQ and I have l have no more than 3 callers. I bet the pot weather I hit my hand or not. Two reasons.
1) At least 70% of the time I take the pot right there.
2) Don’t give your hand away. Good players can tell when you miss by the amount you bet. If every time you hit your hand you are betting the pot people will fold. And if when you miss you are betting 50% of the pot. You will get checked raised out of the pot.
I think your rules are a good start. And things like this have helped me a lot. But don’t set bet amounts in stone.
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Old 05-09-2006, 09:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by m3laNcholy
Yes it does.
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Idea is: I will pay TPTK predefine amount of dollars, no more.
At 25 NL this amount is 8 dollars. If my pf raise is 1 dollar
i wont give sethunters odds to play me because they need
at least 10 dollars. So i try to control pot in that way that
I will bet a maximum 8 dollars with TPTK.

Situations when I lose with TPTK is when i run into set, ragged 2pr
or fl/str draws.
i think you are leaving the door open preflop for drawing hands. where i have been playing(25NL pacific) anyone with any pair,suited connector, or 2 paint cards preflop stays in for $1. if the site you are playing at is different then disregard my comments.

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Old 05-10-2006, 12:15 AM #8 (permalink)  
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This idea is not good especially when you get preflop multicalls+ drawing flop. Then you face decision "should I protect my hand or not", where PSB size will be 30BB or even more.

NLHE is not "tptk is worth $8, set is worth stack, overpair is worth $10". Hand strength is relative to board, players in pot and overall situation. Some of players like to draw, some are "kicker suckers" and you also see some nits with "no set no bet" policy. There are also situations when you can forget about your cards if you decide to rep the board.
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:23 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Say I raise pre flop with AQ and I have l have no more than 3 callers. I bet the pot weather I hit my hand or not. Two reasons.
1) At least 70% of the time I take the pot right there.
2) Don’t give your hand away. Good players can tell when you miss by the amount you bet. If every time you hit your hand you are betting the pot people will fold. And if when you miss you are betting 50% of the pot. You will get checked raised out of the pot.
I think your rules are a good start. And things like this have helped me a lot. But don’t set bet amounts in stone.
The overall idea of c-betting is representing made hand when you don't have it. Good representation (if you choose to rep of course, checking is conservative but fine too) is when your betting patterns for missed overcards are the same as your style of betting made hand - it can be half pot, 2/3 pot or full PSB, but it should be the SAME.

Potting TPTK/overpair on drawing board but going 1/2 with 2nd pair/missed overs is information leak and can be exploited if it's not mixed up properly.
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:37 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 [sarcasm]Lukie's max amount you can lose with given hand at NL25 guide:

Overcards: $3
TPGK: $6.50
TPTK: $12.50
Overpair: $15
T2P: $25
Non-nut, 2 card straight: $30
Bottom set: $35
K-high flush: $40
Middle set: $50
Nut boat: Ummm, I don't know
Top set/nut straight/nut flush/quads/other nut hands: no limit[/sarcasm]
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Does this idea suck at 25NL?
Yes.
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:14 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 This idea sucks at all limits. Instead, try to win as much as possible and loose as little as possible.


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