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bigslikk
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10-20-2006, 02:40 AM
Post subject: Do you ever call c-bets OOP with Air?
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Flush
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If you think he's bluffing?
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MiJ
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10-20-2006, 02:51 AM
Post subject: Re: Do you ever call c-bets OOP with Air?
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Straight
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Originally Posted by bigslikk
If you think he's bluffing?
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i rarely ever do it ...i think C/R is ten times better ...
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
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What's your plan on the turn and later?
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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The Izebox
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
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No.
Ill do it sometimes in position to see what happens on the turn. But you should never check call a bluff with nothing.
Check raise at the least, but I prefer not to do this with no outs.
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benny999
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I don't do it, but people do this oop floating crap against me and it works sometimes, so I think it's a semi valid strategy...at least if you play the same person a lot. but I generally like the c/r on the flop more too.
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Thee One
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Nah, I prefer a C/R or fold. But overall, I hate bluffing so I try to not do too much with air, except c-bet it.
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martindcx1e
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i normally don't enjoy bluff-calling
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TerryToma
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i dont like to do it. i like when others do, especially when i hit my hidden set on the turn.
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miw210
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Check raising is your best bet. No pun intended.
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nutsinho
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
i dont like to do it. i like when others do, especially when i hit my hidden set on the turn.
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pair does not equal air obv
pair/p = air
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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actually checkcalling the flop and leadbetting the turn is much more ev than checkraising.
It lets you see if you hit a turn card, and its better risk/reward.
However, this isn't a line I would use with absolutely nothing. I like to have a weak hand like overcards or a missed small pocket pair.
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Beck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I agree with renton, but I have to have outs, or have the possibility of outs if the turn hits the right way. and then I bet on the turn. but all this depends on the opp.
-beck
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phantom_lord
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Flush
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if I'm playing a weak op, and think he's c-betting with nothing, and I've fairly solids reads on him, I prefer to call the flop and lead/reraise the turn.
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biondino
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Originally Posted by Renton
actually checkcalling the flop and leadbetting the turn is much more ev than checkraising.
It lets you see if you hit a turn card, and its better risk/reward.
However, this isn't a line I would use with absolutely nothing. I like to have a weak hand like overcards or a missed small pocket pair.
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I agree with Renton here. It takes specific reads, and I don't do it often, but I would also do it with air - a nice 3/4 pot bet on any turn, the scarier the card the better, and it's usually mine.
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ensign_lee
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4-of-a-Kind
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Sometimes. Rarely, though.
I'd be much more apt to RAISE with it.
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Fnord
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Moderator
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I do it a lot against some opponents, although I like to mix in check/raising too.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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i do it a lot vs opponents who are very aggro preflop but have a tough time firing multiple bullets.
someone raising preflop w any 2 when folded to u...
call preflop
check-call flop
check/fold turn
"value-bet" river
this wins a ton of pots in my experience
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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plus
if you're caught ppl will give absolutely zero respect and will start pulling all sorts of shit vs you. it drives bad taggs off the deep end
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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in Acehud terms, the villain i have in mind usually runs around 37/26/1.5 btw
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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