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IslandAK
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05-21-2006, 12:13 AM
Post subject: Do you call All in from behind?
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($49.50)
UTG+1 ($58.90)
MP1 ($64)
MP2 ($8)
MP3 ($39.92)
CO ($218.12)
Button ($70.35)
Hero ($47.25)
BB ($53.10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J , J . Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $2, 4 folds, CO calls $2, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $1.75, 1 fold.
Flop: ($6.50) 9 , 8, T (3 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG calls $5, CO raises to $55
I'm thinking CO must mave made his set, or maybe has the AA/KK. Is there enough money in the pot to make this a call? I have the OESD + the 2 Jacks.
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nutsinho
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no way
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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saywhat2
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Straight
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Here I think the correct play is to fold. Even if he doesnt have you beat. You are probably at best 50-50. He may have a hand like AJ of spades. And even though you would be currently winning the odds are in his favor to drawout. You only have 7 dollars invested. Pick a better spot to risk all your chips. Thats my oppinion.
However I would have reraised preflop. To try and get a better feal of where I stood. You could have reraised 4 dollars and than if he came over the top thrown you hand away.
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Renton
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I don't think theres anything wrong with a call.
I don't think theres anything wrong with a fold either.
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IowaSkinsFan
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What are you beating?
Nothing? Then fold.
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Renton
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He is capable of having a T or a draw.
We beat T's and draws.
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biondino
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His overbet is ridiculous. He DESPERATELY wants you out of the hand. He might have a set (my guess), two pair, an overpair, an OESFD or AT spades - I think you are ahead often enough here with your overpair + OESD to justify calling, though it's a tight tight thing.
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pantherhound
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fold that bitch
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relayer
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Hero's odds here aren't nearly good enough, right? He's gotta call $50 into a $71 pot with 10 outs, some of which may not be clean.
Please tell me my analysis here doesn't suck...
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Renton
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I didn't say it was an instant call. I said a call wasn't bad. Its probably right about 50/50.
I, personally, always take 50/50's in a cash game just so I might acquire a big stack and all the benefits that lie therein.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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btw when i am villain here I have AJ/JT/AsKs a lot.
That's why I am saying we aren't necessarily certainly crushed.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Preflop: Call is ok for set value.
Flop: Fold City.
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theDEEPdish
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Renton
I didn't say it was an instant call. I said a call wasn't bad. Its probably right about 50/50.
I, personally, always take 50/50's in a cash game just so I might acquire a big stack and all the benefits that lie therein.
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ii didn't think that there were advantages to a big stack in a cash game
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Renton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by theDEEPdish
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Originally Posted by Renton
I didn't say it was an instant call. I said a call wasn't bad. Its probably right about 50/50.
I, personally, always take 50/50's in a cash game just so I might acquire a big stack and all the benefits that lie therein.
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ii didn't think that there were advantages to a big stack in a cash game |
Better implied odds against other big stacks is a huge plus.
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jackvance
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I like the "bully effect" vs the smaller stacks too. You can basically go into a bunch of 50/50s with smaller stacks (as long as they don't hit and run) and come out on top.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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IslandAK
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Thanks for the responses guys. He ended up having 89o for two pairs. He hit his set (for good measure) on the river.
I read somewhere that in a cash game you play every edge, but I was putting in 43% of the pot to win it 50% of the time. (I was thinking more 45/55 against at the time). I was just wondering how others people would play it.
I do have to say, there are better ways to win $7.
I'll probably fold it in the future.
Any more comments, responses (to the original post or this one) are very welcome.
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Pelion
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by theDEEPdish
ii didn't think that there were advantages to a big stack in a cash game
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People tend to play differently against big stacks too. Its alot easier to bully people when you have a big stack for some reason.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Seasider
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I'm not calling on my watch, a better opportunity is just a few hands away! 
Having a big stack is OK so long as you are prepared for the big decisions that can go with it if you get into a serious hand with another big stack. I remember once at a 25 6 max table I was up to 100 as was one other guy, looked down saw KK ended up AI he flipped KK as well. I had a read on his re-raising range and would of been happy going AI with 1 buy in but decisions are tougher with more behind, pretty stomach-churning stuff.
Generally I agree people are easier to bully, but they will also be looking to you to double them through which you must be aware of.
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saywhat2
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Island my problem is here I like to be the one making the move, not calling it. However if I was on a rush I probably would have called.
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