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Monsieur_chat
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06-14-2010, 11:25 AM
Post subject: Difficult month stat checkup
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Flush
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Hi guys,
After a decent May I'm having a frustrating month. Pretty sure my leaks are costing me money and would appreciate any feedback or suggestions. I'm aware that the sample size is a little less than we might want but I wanted to do this now to give myself a chance to make some money this June. Cheers.
Apologies if pics need to be squinted at.
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rpm
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what limit do you play? they look fine at a glance imo. but a lot depends on what types of players you're up against ie what limit.
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Monsieur_chat
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10nl FR at FTP.
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Monsieur_chat
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Flush
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I think the big problem is the blinds. I'm running at just under 6BB/100 on average from all other positions.
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rpm
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looks fine to me, although im only a 10nl fish as well.
your vpip : pfr ratio is pretty nitty, but this isnt a huge problem at microstakes if you table select well. position stats show positional awareness. i think you could be stealing more if 10nl at FTP is anything like 10nl at stars - most people are folding their blinds 80-90% of the time and not adjusting to your steals. your 3bet frequency is also really low, it seems like you could be 3betting a wider range for value, especially versus the fish. plus it wouldnt hurt to learn about balancing your 3bet range vs the better regs so you can exploit their opens more and your hand isn't face up to anyone with a HUD every time you 3bet.
i wouldnt ever expect to be making money from the blinds long-term, they are the worst two positions on the table. although i'm not sure what a standard "lose rate" is from the blinds. i can see no major leaks personally, but as i said, i'm a fish too.
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Monsieur_chat
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Thanks rpm, most helpful. Any higher stakes regs care to enter their 10c?
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imnotinsane
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I play 5NL in stars and I just check my position stats and I'm losing a lot from the blinds too. People steal ALWAYS in 5NL and I'm having troubles adjusting.
If I call I usualy miss and they ALWAYS cbet and I have to give up ... I 3bet with hands like AQ+, 88+
Some help about adjusting to blinds steal appreciated here.
I play at -31BB/100 (BB) and -16BB/100 (SB) so far this month (45000 hands).
Overall im doing mediocre (4.5BB/100)
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kmind
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3bet and steal more is a start (OP). You can def. 3bet a tooooonnnnnnnnn as a bluff if people steal a lot because most have 0 clue on how to play in 3bet pots postflop and you can either win the pot right there or get a feel for their 3bet calling ranges and own them postflop.
imnotinsane - they obviously have widddde ranges so adjust your weak range (weaker hands) to rebluff them and use your stronger hands to trap them more if your read really is correct.
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philly and the phanatics
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id pick a looooot more crap to 3b with in steal situations, you are folding to 3bets way too much also steal more from btn and start stealing the co when theres a tighter player next to you. other then that post some specific hands where you have questions, take us through your thought process so people can see what you are doing wrong....ldo
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rpm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by imnotinsane
I play at -31BB/100 (BB) and -16BB/100 (SB) so far this month (45000 hands).
Overall im doing mediocre (4.5BB/100)
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45k already this month???? grindor
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!Luck
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Full House
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You are playing close to 9 tables at a time. Maybe reduce the tables to like 5. See if you can deduce 1 or 2 more spots to value bet that river. Also, if you have 22-55 in the SB vs Bu open, you have to have a very aggressive opponent for you the profitable set mine. so consider just folding that. Maybe find a few more spots to steal while on the buttons, Axs works well, avoid non suited cards for your steals though. J7o<k2s
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Monsieur_chat
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.... Now I'm unclear who's replying to me and who's replying to imnotinsane...
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EasyPoker
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Play no more than 4 tables
Keep notes on and target the fish
Assign ranges to opponents
Review hands
Run good
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win
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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Donachello
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@ Luck! How on earth do you get that he is playing 9 tables. It took him 33 hours to play 15K hands lolz. He's playing like 5-6 I would guess.
Anyway, OP. For what it's worth, being down 4.5 buy ins is really not very bad at all. Your stats look pretty nitty but not extremely so. Your BB and SB #s without the blind are green which is what you want. All I would say is get that 3bet up to around 2-3 by picking some spots to 3b IP. Sometimes you play well and just don't make a much money and sometimes there you subtly drift away from good play you have been doing without really realizing it. Review a few hands, and if you don't see any real mistakes then sometimes you are just running poorly. It happens to everyone and you just have to continue to put the time in.
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol
Problem officer...?
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spoonitnow
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Steal more and start looking for profitable 3-bet bluffing spots in late position and in the blinds. Your W$WSF sucks relative to how tight you are. You should probably be c-betting more, but you haven't posted your c-bet percentage so I can only be 99% sure instead of 100% sure.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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WeaselT
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possible you played some hands very badly. perhaps go through hands position by position and figure out spots where you maybe shouldve folded or vbet or not cbet etc.
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Monsieur_chat
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@ Donachello, I guess maybe there's an element of that, but I'm now down 6.5B, in spite of some success with 3betting more and there's definitely some of that subtle drift you're talking about. It's frustrating, and I refuse to be a microstakes donk who puts everything down to variance. I suck at poker and I want to get better lol. And yes, I 6 table.
@ Spoon, I'm CBetting between 59% and 62% in all positions except the blinds. 84% in the BB and 54% in the SB.
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spoonitnow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
@ Donachello, I guess maybe there's an element of that, but I'm now down 6.5B, in spite of some success with 3betting more and there's definitely some of that subtle drift you're talking about. It's frustrating, and I refuse to be a microstakes donk who puts everything down to variance. I suck at poker and I want to get better lol. And yes, I 6 table.
@ Spoon, I'm CBetting between 59% and 62% in all positions except the blinds. 84% in the BB and 54% in the SB.
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As tight as you are, you should probably be c-betting more than that. Getting better at spotting +EV c-betting spots would probably make you a winning player by itself, plus it will help you with other parts of your game.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Monsieur_chat
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Hmmm. Feel like with regards to c-betting my understanding of position, board texture etc and how it relates to when we should and shouldn't cbet is ok, but getting floated a lot has made me over-cautious.
In fact I think that this is one of my biggest leaks. Invariably if I raise AK/AQ/AJ/KQ etc preflop, cbet a whiffed flop and get called, I will give up on the turn. Not because I've looked at the board, thought about villain's range and decided I can't push him off this one and I don't have enough possibility of improving, but rather as an automatic response.
Anyone know of good resources on firing two barrels?
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Donachello
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
Anyone know of good resources on firing two barrels?
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Your brain. Seriously it's the exact same thing as every other spot in poker. Assign range. Decide how that range is probably played. Assign yourself a range. Decide what the most EV move is. The more hands you put in the better you'll understand what cards make good second and third barrels based on preflop action and board texture.
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol
Problem officer...?
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oskar
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You can play way more hands in LP. Both stealing, isolating and 3-betting.
If your 3-betting range is KK+ it's probably bad because that's what everyone with a hud is expecting.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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Monsieur_chat
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Flush
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Thanks guys. Started having some success 3betting in LP with hands outside of the normal range a villain will assign me given my stats (AA, KK, AKs, QQ) but that can still flop well when we get flatted by TT, JJ, QQ, AK etc, i.e medium suited connecters, suited one gappers and so on. Some players with huge F3bet stat (i.e one player in my db who I have 2000 hands on and still has a 100% f3b stat) get 3betted with pretty much any junk.
Also finally booked a winning session, played about 800 hands earlier for +2bi so hopefully I've turned the corner and June can be saved. Hey, we're only halfway through the month.
Thanks all for the input, I shall try to put all of your good advice to use.
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NightGizmo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
Started having some success 3betting in LP with hands outside of the normal range a villain will assign me given my stats (AA, KK, AKs, QQ) but that can still flop well when we get flatted by TT, JJ, QQ, AK etc, i.e medium suited connecters, suited one gappers and so on. Some players with huge F3bet stat (i.e one player in my db who I have 2000 hands on and still has a 100% f3b stat) get 3betted with pretty much any junk.
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How did you decide on that bluff 3betting range? Is that basically the hands that are just outside your flat calling range?
That is something I need to improve on, too, so advice is appreciated.
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donkfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
Anyone know of good resources on firing two barrels?
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Obviously, don't barrel or semi-bluff fish fish with air. You need some sort of fold equity to barrel profitably. However, it's often difficult to find fold equity against players who can't hand read very well. Against non-thinking villains, I (try) to adhere to the following strategy: If my range is ahead of villain's, I bet/raise/call. If my range is behind villain's, I check/fold.
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Monsieur_chat
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Originally Posted by NightGizmo
How did you decide on that bluff 3betting range? Is that basically the hands that are just outside your flat calling range?
That is something I need to improve on, too, so advice is appreciated.
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No, it's hands that aren't dominated by the range with which they flat our 3bet.
My thinking is basically that most of the players we'll be targetting at 10nl have a pretty narrow range of hands with which they flat a 3bet:
So, firstly we're trying to target players who have a high F3bet%, so that we should always have good fold equity.
Players with a high F3bet% will also generally be playing pretty tight so they will have a very narrow range of hands with which they will continue against a 3bet, let's say for the sake of argument AK, AQ, AJs, QQ, JJ, TT (obviously we adjust this for each villain).
We therefore really don't want to be 3betting with ATs because it's so easy for us to be dominated against this range. So, I'd rather 3bet with hands like medium suited connectors, one gappers etc: Primarily we're making money here by villain folding 70%+ of the time, but when he calls our 3bet, his range is so narrow that we can be pretty clear where we are and can potentially pwn him postflop with a hand that is well disguised, rather than getting in trouble with a hand which is dominated by his range.
Would appreciate feedback from Spoon, Oskar et al if I'm in the right ball park with my thinking here.
<awaits smackdown>
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donkfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
So, I'd rather 3bet with hands like medium suited connectors, one gappers etc
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If there's fish in the blinds that will come along for the ride, I love flatting here IP with these types of hands and seeing a flop IP in a big multi-way pot. Of course it works the other way if there are a squeeze happy players in the blinds, but at 10nl, there's way more fish than squeezers.
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WeaselT
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this is awesome
3-betting and fold equity in FR NLHE
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NightGizmo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeaselT
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Wow, nice link! I'm going to have to crunch some numbers and see how different bluff ranges work against different villain types, and start expanding my 3bet range.
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NightGizmo
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsieur_chat
We therefore really don't want to be 3betting with ATs because it's so easy for us to be dominated against this range. So, I'd rather 3bet with hands like medium suited connectors, one gappers etc: Primarily we're making money here by villain folding 70%+ of the time, but when he calls our 3bet, his range is so narrow that we can be pretty clear where we are and can potentially pwn him postflop with a hand that is well disguised, rather than getting in trouble with a hand which is dominated by his range.
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OK, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for explaining.
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