Originally Posted by Ripptyde

I can't believe I am actually reading this shit..

Originally Posted by Dwarfy

They are two different games with completely different strategies, hence the separate forums for Limit and No Limit Holdem

Originally Posted by DarkenRahl

I'd also like to point out that "worser" isn't a word

Originally Posted by ampersandman

Limit is like lawn bowls, NL is like a world title fight

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I sure would like you to explain yourself. NL and LHE have the same preflop strategies and they have very similar, if not the same post flop strategies. The ONLY difference is the ability to go all in and the implied odds are greater. By-the-book poker in both LHE and NL are very similar.

Originally Posted by Phew72

Now before you have a go at me, I don't play LHE but over the last four or five months I have read a lot and what I have read states categorically that pre-flop and post-flop strategies for NLHE vs. LHE are very different.

Originally Posted by Phew72

Position in LHE is important (more so pre-flop) but it is much more important in NLHE (especially post-flop).

Originally Posted by Phew72

Everything in LHE boils down to how big the pots are and whether you have odds before playing a hand. However, in NLHE you have the liberty of being able to limp in with lesser hands purely because if you hit you can potentially extract much more money from your opponents than a limited betting game.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

You Don't Check Raise? You don't give odds to your opponent do you? Knowing when to bet and when to call are keys in both games.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I disagree with you there. Position in LHE is necessary so you can take advantage of some plays, like Free cards, etc. NL you can make up for the expectation later in the rounds because your Implied odds are better.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

So, wait, you don't use odds in your decisions or do you? Sounds like you are talking about implied odds. In this case, the implied odds in NL are a lot higher and thus you are able to make up for previous mistakes.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I sure would like you to explain yourself. NL and LHE have the same preflop strategies and they have very similar, if not the same post flop strategies. The ONLY difference is the ability to go all in and the implied odds are greater. By-the-book poker in both LHE and NL are very similar.
The same people cold-calling in LHE with shitty cards are the same people in NL that are willing to go allin on the turn with a nut flush draw. You just have to know how to play post flop better in LHE, you just cant bet the hell out of the pot and give odds to everyone and their brother.

Originally Posted by Phew72

I've found the site linked below as a good source of Texas Hold'em information and the administrator predominantly plays LHE. He has a great page regarding the differences between the two disciplines here:
http://www.learn-texas-holdem.com/no...rsus-limit.htm

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i've concluded this author doesn't know what he's talking about....

i'm going to rip it apart right now even though i should be studying...

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

I can't believe I am actually reading this shit..

in fact I am moving this thread to 'beginners circle' just because I can... and this noob deserves it for posting such a ridiculous entry

Originally Posted by Phew72

false. being able to vary the bet sizes doesn't add any complexity. you either bet 1/2 the pot size or the pot size. anything else is silly.

Thats ridiculous.. Minimum betting and overbetting the pot are very useful in certain situations. For example you can make it look like you are buying a pot when you have a hand or overbet against an opponent scared to lose his stack. Varying bet sizes adds a lot of complexity.

"Initiative More A Factor In No Limit"
fine...you bet the pot on the flop. i call. you bet the pot on the turn. i call. wtf do you do now on the river?

You are a lot more likely to get your opponent to fold if you take the innitiative and bet aggressively in no limit than limit.

"The Stakes Are Bigger In No Limit"
last time i checked all online poker rooms have bigger stakes in limit.

Tell me what pokersite I can see someone winning/losing $100k in one evening playing limit poker?

"Some Draws Go Down In Value In No Limit Holdem"
no, you just go all in on the flop. with 2 cards to come you're even money on quality flush and OESDs.

[b]Uhm, yes they do go down in value..an ordinary flush draw is not something you go all in on, so his comment is correct.[

Originally Posted by Cocco

Thats ridiculous.. Minimum betting and overbetting the pot are very useful in certain situations. For example you can make it look like you are buying a pot when you have a hand or overbet against an opponent scared to lose his stack. Varying bet sizes adds a lot of complexity.

Originally Posted by Cocco

Tell me what pokersite I can see someone winning/losing $100k in one evening playing limit poker?

Originally Posted by Cocco

Uhm, yes they do go down in value..an ordinary flush draw is not something you go all in on, so his comment is correct.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Thats ridiculous.. Minimum betting and overbetting the pot are very useful in certain situations. For example you can make it look like you are buying a pot when you have a hand or overbet against an opponent scared to lose his stack. Varying bet sizes adds a lot of complexity.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

tell me what pokersite I can see someone winning/losing $100k in one evening playing limit poker?

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Uhm, yes they do go down in value..an ordinary flush draw is not something you go all in on, so his comment is correct.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

and which site would this be for NL? just because you CAN lose that much reloading all the time doesn't mean you will, or should.

Prima poker network. I have seen at 2 seperate occations someoone winning $100k on the 50-100 blinds tables. And I don't follow those tables very often
with the chances of improving, the chances they will fold, going all in is a very powerful move. top pair is a monster heads up, and he fails to take that into account.

[b]Hmm I find your posts kind of contradict each other..I thought it was basic knowledge that certain hands should be valued differently in limit vs no limit, simply because you have an upper price tag to see the next cards in limit poker. Pretty basic stuff really..[b]

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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Prima poker network. I have seen at 2 seperate occations someoone winning $100k on the 50-100 blinds tables. And I don't follow those tables very often

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Hmm I find your posts kind of contradict each other..I thought it was basic knowledge that certain hands should be valued differently in limit vs no limit, simply because you have an upper price tag to see the next cards in limit poker. Pretty basic stuff really..

Originally Posted by DavSimon

NL is waaayyyy better than limit. I've watched Rounders like 4 times and that's all they play in that movie....nuff said!

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

so you're saying they let you bring in 1000x the bb?

No 100x and he was up 10 times the buyin..

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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

No 100x and he was up 10 times the buyin..

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

that's a rare exception. i'm just talkin about in general.

here are the biggest tables, right now:
at stars: 100/200 limit (8 players), vs 5/10 NL (9 players)
at UB: 50/100 limit (5 players), vs 25/50 (7 players)
at prima: hmmm....no one plays high stakes limit here, vs 25/50 NL (2 full tables)
at party: 30/60 limit, vs 2/4 NL

damn...didn't know prima had such high stakes tables! and the average pot size seems very overflated for some reason (~1400)

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

overflated? why? 25-50 NL pot sizes can't compare with 25-50 limit ones.

This is normal(obviously) for no limit but would be outrageous for limit.

Last few days the 50-100NL tables have been a bit quite, but usually they are active too at prime time.

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i'm not comparing to limit. i'm comparing to other NL games. an average 28bb pot doesn't seem overinflated to you?

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

looking at average pot sizes right now for .25-.5 NL on Prima

15, 18, 12, 10, 11, 10, 17...not far off eh? Its not inflated just accept it.

BTW: Is overflated an actual word in the english language? Always thought it was inflated?

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

the average of your numbers is 13, less than half of 28.

pwn is not a word either but i still use it.

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i'm going by big blinds.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

So am I..

Originally Posted by Ripptyde

hyper I se you posting on 2 + 2 you fuckin cheater :P

where is the FTR love we are not feelin it

make sure you wash your hands before you post here again you 2 timin btch

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

tou-che
who's been readin it? 8-)