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Old 01-24-2007, 12:32 AM     Post subject: Did I play this too poorly? #1 (permalink)  

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Player 3: -- --
Player 4: -- --
Player 5: -- --
Player 6: -- --
Player 7: -- --
Player 8: -- --
HERO sb: 9c Tc
bb: -- --
Player 1: -- --
Player 2: -- --

Pre-flop:

Player 1 folds. Player 2 folds. Player 3 folds.
Player 4 folds. Player 5 folds. Player 6
folds. Player 7 folds. Player 8 raises to $.35.
HERO re-raises to $1.15. bb calls.
Player 8 folds.

Flop (board: Ac Jc 8s):

HERO bets $.25. bb raises to $3.40.
HERO calls.

Turn (board: Ac Jc 8s 9h):

HERO checks. bb goes all-in for $.91.
HERO goes all-in for $.34. bb is
returned $.57 (uncalled).

River (board: Ac Jc 8s 9h 6s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

bb shows Ah Kh.
bb has Ah Kh Ac Jc 9h: a pair of aces.
HERO shows 9c Tc.
HERO has 9c Tc Ac Jc 9h: a pair of nines.


Hand #37041383-24985 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $10.13.
bb wins $9.63 with a pair of aces.

Here is why I played it this way. I have played player 8 more than once and have a good read on him. If he is on the button, and there are no raises before his turn, he will almost always bet the pot regardless of how many limpers there are. His PFR meant nothing, and I had been looking for a hand like this to re-raise against him.

When the flop came up, I sent out a probe bet to feel out the bb. I had played very conservatively for quite some time and knew I could get a feel for him this way. His raise, after calling my re-raise pre-flop told me he either had TPGK or two pair. Seeing how he had played, he would have pushed pre-flop with AA, and he would have pushed post flop with a set. A drawing hand would have gotten a call.

My hand gave me both a flush draw and a straight draw, and I strongly felt that by catching either I would double up.

All thoughts are welcome.
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Old 01-24-2007, 05:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Where to start.....
First off, what are you trying to do by re-raising in the SB?? Are you trying to ISO or take the pot down right there. And after you got called by the BB just push him all in after the flop. It looks like the pot is about 3 dollars a probe bet would be about $.80-$1.

Heres some advice, wait for a better spot to make a move. Especially out of position. IF you call OOP if the button knows anything he will follow up his raise with a bet. So if you bet, you will be making a bet into an unknown hand which is bad......
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Old 01-24-2007, 07:43 AM #3 (permalink)  
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your preflop-reraise looks good to me, if he's raising light in late position and you have seen him folding to a reraise. if he isn't capable of folding to your pf reraise - the move was bad, since youre building the pot OOP with a medicore hand.

your flop bet seems very weak, compared to the size of the pot - but the flop was really good for you: you flopped a straight and a flush draw making you a slight favourite against a pair.
if your opponent has some kind of aggression (which is pretty obvious from your hand history) i would check-raise him allin on this flop. this gives you three scenarios: 1) he c-bet on the flop with nothing, you push he folds. 2) he bets the flop, you push, he calles with one pair and youre a favourite to win the hand 3) he bets, you push, he calls with a strong hand... so be it.

Hope this helps,
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:37 PM #4 (permalink)  

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your preflop-reraise looks good to me, if he's raising light in late position and you have seen him folding to a reraise. if he isn't capable of folding to your pf reraise - the move was bad, since youre building the pot OOP with a medicore hand.

your flop bet seems very weak, compared to the size of the pot - but the flop was really good for you: you flopped a straight and a flush draw making you a slight favourite against a pair.
if your opponent has some kind of aggression (which is pretty obvious from your hand history) i would check-raise him allin on this flop. this gives you three scenarios: 1) he c-bet on the flop with nothing, you push he folds. 2) he bets the flop, you push, he calles with one pair and youre a favourite to win the hand 3) he bets, you push, he calls with a strong hand... so be it.

Hope this helps,
Double
That is exactly what I was looking for. The PFR OOP was done purposely to take the pot right there. As I stated, the button nearly always raises if there are no other raises prior to his turn. Unless of course he has been slow played by someone at the table a time or two which makes him be honest when that person is in the pot. Having played him before, I knew this re-raise would get him to fold.

Looking back, the .25 bet after the flop is probably what caused the bb to make such a huge raise on me. He wanted to scare me out of the pot. Had I checked, I would have seen a smaller bet from him, and a push from me probably would have caused him to fold. If not, I was still a small favorite but such is poker.
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