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ben99s
Old 03-11-2006, 09:27 PM     Post subject: Did i Play these right? Was i right to fold? #1 (permalink)  

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Hand 1:

***** Hand History for Game 3717662384 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 11, 17:19:13 ET 2006
Table Table 95479 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Prof_Jarc ( $32.53 )
Seat 2: karelios ( $13.02 )
Seat 3: kittedim ( $27.08 )
Seat 4: LiveToDie ( $24.65 )
Seat 6: turtleplayer ( $46.29 )
Seat 5: Ben ( $25 )
Prof_Jarc posts small blind [$0.10].
karelios posts big blind [$0.25].
Ben posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ben [ Qd As ]
kittedim folds.a
LiveToDie folds.
Ben raises [$0.75].
turtleplayer folds.
Prof_Jarc calls [$0.90].
karelios calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Ac, Jh ]
Prof_Jarc checks.
karelios checks.
Ben bets [$1].
Prof_Jarc folds.
karelios calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4s ]
karelios checks.
Ben bets [$0.50].
karelios raises [$4].
Ben folds.
karelios does not show cards.
karelios wins $9.20


Hand 2:
***** Hand History for Game 3717670977 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 11, 17:20:26 ET 2006
Table Table 95479 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Prof_Jarc ( $31.53 )
Seat 2: karelios ( $16.22 )
Seat 3: kittedim ( $27.08 )
Seat 4: LiveToDie ( $24.65 )
Seat 6: turtleplayer ( $46.29 )
Seat 5: Ben ( $22.50 )
karelios posts small blind [$0.10].
kittedim posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ben [ Ks Kd ]
LiveToDie folds.
Ben raises [$2].
turtleplayer folds.
Prof_Jarc calls [$2].
karelios folds.
kittedim folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Qc, 9d ]
Ben bets [$3].
Prof_Jarc is all-In [$29.53]
Ben folds.
Prof_Jarc shows [ 4c, 7s ] high card queen.
Prof_Jarc wins $36.38 from the main pot with high card queen.
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:30 PM #2 (permalink)  

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These were the first 2 hands i saw at the table.

Thanks for any advice in advanced. I just want to make sure i've got the right mind set here and not playing like a total moron...just a semi-moron
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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EDIT: Didnt see that these were your first too hands, so disregard what I said about Prof_Jack getting a read on your image, either way I still think these were both played incredible weak tight

I dont really play cash games, but I still dont see how these hands were played correctly. What hands are you worried about your opponent having that beat you on the first hand? The second hand confuses me even more, I feel like you probably had an incredibly weak tight image at your table and Prof_Jarc took advantage of that. This is a spot I would call all day, the flop has all unders and 2 suited cards. I couldnt put a certain hand on my opponent in this situation, because that is such a huge overbet, what hand that beats you would play it this way? Most beginners overvalue TPWK, here you have an overpair and TPGK and you fold to a sign of aggression. Simply because an opponent raises you doesnt instantly mean they beat you, ask yourself what hand would make the plays that they made and try to put them on a range and then see how you perform against that range, I cant think of any ranges really that would beat you here on either hands.

On a sidenote, what is your bankroll? Since this is in the beginners forum I will assume you are just starting out, unless you started out with a $250 BR and are comfortable with only 10 Buyins then I would suggest playing at lower limits to get comfortable
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Old 03-11-2006, 09:45 PM #4 (permalink)  

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Well.. that makes sense now that i read it. My br is currently a little over $70 and i am playing the low limit tables. .10/.25 nl

Thanks for the advice. seems a lot more obvious w/ you laying it out like that.
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Old 03-11-2006, 10:09 PM #5 (permalink)  

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well..i think i just made up the money i lost w/ this hand.... He had KK

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$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 11, 18:07:46 ET 2006
Table Two As One (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Reneelai ( $26.21 )
Seat 2: MarkDaragh ( $17.30 )
Seat 3: Ben ( $25.90 )
Seat 4: ScroobyDo ( $16.14 )
Seat 5: Ouzou__ ( $32.75 )
Seat 6: brandy644 ( $23.25 )
Reneelai posts small blind [$0.10].
MarkDaragh posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ben [ Ad Ah ]
Ben raises [$3].
ScroobyDo folds.
Ouzou__ folds.
brandy644 folds.
Reneelai folds.
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
ScroobyDo: wow
MarkDaragh is all-In [$0.55]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 4d, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Ben shows [ Ad, Ah ] a pair of aces.
MarkDaragh doesn't show [ Kc, Kh ] a pair of kings.
Ben wins $2.20 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Ben wins $33 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:19 PM #6 (permalink)  

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bah! i hate this game sometimes. wont even post the hand because it was so stupid... but i lost to a q-6, w/ a pair of q. would not have even been in the hand if i did not have the big that hand...

sometimes i dont know why i do things..... Had made br up to about $100 and now i'm down to around 80
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 if you keep playing 25nl 6-max with an 80 dollar bankroll you are going bust ASAP. stop immediately, move down in limits.

The first two hands you posted are bad to very bad. You need a cushion (aka bigger bankroll relative to buy-in) to practice playing.
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:29 PM #8 (permalink)  

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if you keep playing 25nl 6-max with an 80 dollar bankroll you are going bust ASAP. stop immediately, move down in limits.

The first two hands you posted are bad to very bad. You need a cushion (aka bigger bankroll relative to buy-in) to practice playing.
i'm playing 0.10/0.25 nl 6-max

I'm still "ahead". i have lost most of my money on 3 hands... in the past week.

I know $100br is not a big deal to most people. But for me being pretty new....it is to me..


BTW, Thank again to everyone that has offered me advice/redicule.. I am sucking it up like a sponge(or at least trying too).

On the bright side...we all learn from our failure...but i would prefer to learn from success

I ordered slansky's "Hold 'em poker' and "theory of poker" tonight.
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 i think you misunderstood my post.

I am not saying make your bankroll bigger, I am saying make your buy-in smaller. If you play .1/.25 NL with 80 bucks, the odds of you losing that money are HUGE, even if you are playing well. Find a site that offers .05/.1 or lower.

You might just win and make it continuing to play 25nl, but you're playing russian roulette with your money.

It is GREAT that you are receptive to advice though. A lot of new people come in here and double up twice and think that they are gods gift to poker, not listening to a thing, then a week later they come back sobbing over their amazing boom and bust...
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Old 03-11-2006, 11:45 PM #10 (permalink)  

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i think you misunderstood my post.

I am not saying make your bankroll bigger, I am saying make your buy-in smaller. If you play .1/.25 NL with 80 bucks, the odds of you losing that money are HUGE, even if you are playing well. Find a site that offers .05/.1 or lower.

You might just win and make it continuing to play 25nl, but you're playing russian roulette with your money.

It is GREAT that you are receptive to advice though. A lot of new people come in here and double up twice and think that they are gods gift to poker, not listening to a thing, then a week later they come back sobbing over their amazing boom and bust...
ahh.. sorry. I just cashed out at partypoker. I'll probably deposit it over at paradisepoker once it shows up in my account

Thanks again. you guys rock. Once i can make my deposit i'll hit the .05/.10 tables
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Old 03-12-2006, 12:57 AM #11 (permalink)  
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ahh.. sorry. I just cashed out at partypoker. I'll probably deposit it over at paradisepoker once it shows up in my account

Thanks again. you guys rock. Once i can make my deposit i'll hit the .05/.10 tables
Whyd you cash out? And there are tables with limits lower than that, I think it would be a good idea to play at like .02/.05nl
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:42 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 didn't know what site you played at.

party offers lower $ tables in the beginner's section. you can play there for like 40 days or something like that. You can play there, or move to paradise if you know they offer lower.
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Old 03-12-2006, 02:40 PM #13 (permalink)  
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well..i think i just made up the money i lost w/ this hand.... He had KK

***** Hand History for Game 3718005335 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, March 11, 18:07:46 ET 2006
Table Two As One (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Reneelai ( $26.21 )
Seat 2: MarkDaragh ( $17.30 )
Seat 3: Ben ( $25.90 )
Seat 4: ScroobyDo ( $16.14 )
Seat 5: Ouzou__ ( $32.75 )
Seat 6: brandy644 ( $23.25 )
Reneelai posts small blind [$0.10].
MarkDaragh posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ben [ Ad Ah ]
Ben raises [$3].
ScroobyDo folds.
Ouzou__ folds.
brandy644 folds.
Reneelai folds.
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
MarkDaragh raises [$5.50].
Ben raises [$5.50].
ScroobyDo: wow
MarkDaragh is all-In [$0.55]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 4d, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Ben shows [ Ad, Ah ] a pair of aces.
MarkDaragh doesn't show [ Kc, Kh ] a pair of kings.
Ben wins $2.20 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Ben wins $33 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
You got your money in preflop, but why are you only min-reraising him? you should be raising him in larger increments
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