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I Like Pie
Old 06-05-2006, 10:26 PM     Post subject: Did I Play These Queens Wrong? #1 (permalink)  
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POKERSTARS GAME #5172564349: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/06/05 - 17:23:43 (ET)
Table 'Vela II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: TheGoodThief ($159.75 in chips)
Seat 2: huffdaddy78 ($65.30 in chips)
Seat 4: EEjack ($29.55 in chips)
Seat 5: I Like Pie ($40.45 in chips)
Seat 6: garyfmarsh ($78.45 in chips)
Seat 7: illbill171 ($30 in chips)
Seat 8: Sauchie ($51.40 in chips)
Seat 9: smokienuts ($48 in chips)
bagger01 is connected
EEjack: posts small blind $0.25
I Like Pie: posts big blind $0.50
TheGoodThief: posts small & big blinds $0.75
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to I Like Pie [Qh Qc]
bagger01 has returned
garyfmarsh: folds
illbill171: raises $1.50 to $2
Sauchie: folds
smokienuts: folds
TheGoodThief: calls $1.50
huffdaddy78: folds
EEjack: calls $1.75
I Like Pie: raises $6 to $8
illbill171: calls $6
TheGoodThief: calls $6
EEjack: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [6s Kd 4h]
EEjack: checks
I Like Pie: checks
illbill171: bets $6
TheGoodThief: folds
EEjack: folds
I Like Pie said, "AK?"
EEjack said, "AA"
I Like Pie: folds
illbill171 collected $30.65 from pot
TheGoodThief said, "jesus"
illbill171: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $32.25 | Rake $1.60
Board [6s Kd 4h]
Seat 1: TheGoodThief folded on the Flop
Seat 2: huffdaddy78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EEjack (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: I Like Pie (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: garyfmarsh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: illbill171 collected ($30.65)
Seat 8: Sauchie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: smokienuts folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Doesn't seem like a big hand, and it wasn't but we talked about it in the chat for a while, illbill171 said he has AK, EEjack said he has A7s.

I thought the $6 raise would be good enough to get 2 of them out and when they all sticked around for the flop I figured someone had the king so I didn't bet the flop and didn't call his mini-bet cause I figured he bet that to get action. They said my re-raise was insignificant, was it too low?

Any thoughts?
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:53 PM #2 (permalink)  
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This spot sucks. 9 times out of 10 the guy behind will bet if you check the flop. Betting anything less than $15 wouldn't be good and would commit you. A crying fold is fine here.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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With just pot behind, the King doesn't concern me. I push all-in.
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 raised in EP then when re-raised just calls, likely holdings for a standard player are roughly AK,AQ,99-JJ. I would probably just check and fold as you did there considering there are 2 other people in the pot and you dont have position. The reraise preflop was significant, they both put in 16BB when they were behind.
Fnord, I dont really see that much value in just pushing AI here. If you decide you are going to stick around and see the hand to a showdown I think it would be better to check call all the way rather than bet. By betting here, you are not getting paid off by worse hands, a set or a king is sticking around if you bet, lower PP's or air are just folding. by checking you induce worse hands to bet, and if they do bet they are either drawing to 2 outs (PP) or 3 outs (A) assuming you are ahead, which are very good odds, especially considering the size of the pot already.
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Old 06-06-2006, 01:03 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Preflop raise and call of the reraise is fine.I think it protects you if you're behind if they have AA/KK (and likewise if they have AK and outflop you).


On the flop:I think a check fold is ok against 2 opponets with that overcard.Just save your money for a better spot.
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