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Zata

01-14-2008, 10:31 AM Post subject: Did I play that poorly?

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I got called out for playing this hand. I didn't feel that I had played it that poorly, and my calls wern't that bad (IMO). I got called out by the player I beat and am wondering if I had actually played it that poorly?

PokerStars Game #14547913051: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/01/14 - 06:01:31 (ET)Table 'Lexell IV' 9-max
Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: vbender ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Mimicry ($25.30 in chips)
Seat 7: kingofcon ($16.90 in chips)
Seat 8: LaPoCa.king ($13.05 in chips)
Seat 9: mikka005 ($9.80 in chips)
Mimicry: posts small blind $0.05
kingofcon: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to kingofcon [5d 3d]
LaPoCa.king: folds
mikka005: calls $0.10
LaPoCa.king leaves the table
vbender: folds
Mimicry: calls $0.05
kingofcon: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 7d 4d]
Mimicry: checks
kingofcon: bets $0.10
mikka005: folds
Mimicry: raises $0.30 to $0.40
kingofcon: calls $0.30
*** TURN *** [4s 7d 4d] [6d]
Mimicry: checks
kingofcon: bets $0.10
Mimicry: raises $1.70 to $1.80
kingofcon: raises $4.70 to $6.50
Mimicry: raises $18.30 to $24.80 and is all-in
kingofcon: calls $9.90 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4s 7d 4d 6d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mimicry: shows [7c 7s] (a full house, Sevens full of Fours)
kingofcon: shows [5d 3d] (a straight flush, Three to Seven)
kingofcon collected $32.25 from pot
Mimicry said, "jokerstars"
*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $33.90 | Rake $1.65 Board [4s 7d 4d 6d 8h]
Seat 1: vbender (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mimicry (small blind) showed [7c 7s] and lost with a full house, Sevens full of Fours
Seat 7: kingofcon (big blind) showed [5d 3d] and won ($32.25) with a straight flush, Three to SevenSeat 8: LaPoCa.king folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mikka005 folded on the Flop

If you can read that, or use the converter better than I can, did I play that poorly?

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XTR1000

01-14-2008, 10:46 AM

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Hi and welcome to the forums

U hit the nuts and got it in. Nothing wrong with that. Overthink next time, wheter a minbet is good or not and what you´re accomplishing with it.

Pls clean the HH up next time or use the converter, it´s very hard to analyze a hand in such an unformat

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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards

yo

Zata

01-14-2008, 11:13 AM

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Edited it. I can use the converter after editing it, but I cannot post the converted text due to not having enough posts.

Thanks for looking over it though. Was calling the raise after the flop a bad idea? My main goal in betting in the first place was because I had alot of draws (and the table was folding a fair amount too, so unless someone had something they probably wouldn't have called). When I called the raise I had imagined she would have had either trips or two pair, so the straight and flush I was drawing too would have been good.

Usually I try to play quite tight as I noticed when I started playing that you can loose far too quickly when you call "because it's only 50 cents", etc. If you guys were in my position would you have called?

XTR1000, I'm not entirly sure what your saying about overthinking re: the minibet. Is there a way to bet that differently? The first bet I made just to either try to win with 6 high, or to get slightly more into the pot incase I hit one of my outs. I would have folded had the reraise been more than I had valued the hand (IE if she had raised to a buck or so I would have folded and stopped chasing cards).

The second bet was made to try to maximise my profit, I though that she would fold if I had bet too much.

Thanks for the warm welcome and thanks for the advice

EDIT:

Should I move down to lower limits? I usually play at the .5/.10 tables, as well as 1+.10 and 5+.50 SnG's, but maybe I should stick to the .2/.5 tables and the 1+.10 tables? My bankroll right now is about 90, I'm down about 60 bucks right now. If I play conservitavly will I be able to last at the .5/.10 tables?

XTR1000

01-14-2008, 11:42 AM

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ur call is fine. You have a 12 outs draw to the 2nd nuts on a board where ppl will overplay 3rd nuts (trip 4´s). Opponents range to raise here is quite wide like 88,99, AdXd, 4X, A7, K7 and maybe worse, 56. Against that range you have 42% equity and probably at least one bet more of value if ur draw comes in. It´s marginal, but okay.

minbetting is usually not a smart move. Reasons to bet are:

- getting value
- defining hands
- folding out stronger holdings

a minbet doesn´t accomplish any of these, so better bet out at least 1/2 pot

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yo

Chopper

01-14-2008, 03:03 PM

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loser was pissed, so he called you a dummy. simple.

go back into the chat and ask him, "which way did the chips slide, again?"

that oughta destroy anyone noticing image a bit further. most wont notice, but its worth a shot after a hand like that to make yourself APPEAR like a complete retard.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Hawk

01-14-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zata

Should I move down to lower limits? I usually play at the .5/.10 tables, as well as 1+.10 and 5+.50 SnG's, but maybe I should stick to the .2/.5 tables and the 1+.10 tables? My bankroll right now is about 90, I'm down about 60 bucks right now. If I play conservitavly will I be able to last at the .5/.10 tables?

On the left hand side of the page there are a bunch of links. Check out the Bankroll Management link. (or just click it in that sentence I just typed.)

But in short, yes, you should probably drop down to at least 5nl...or lower if available at your site. When playing under rolled you can expect the swings to be too large. Also, I'm guessing you are fairly new to the game and it's a much cheaper education at the lower levels. Once you can kill them, move back up.

Pythonic

01-14-2008, 10:04 PM

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You played it fine. Loser suffered a bad beat and took it out on you. Happy Hunting!

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pankfish

01-14-2008, 10:40 PM

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damn it, I read it 3 times and still screwed it up.

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Outlaw

01-14-2008, 11:14 PM

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I would of called one street, because the implied odds were huge at that level if he had a made hand.. he is the one that made an error in not raising more imo.

I would have bet at least 3/4 of the pot on the turn.

At $60 you should be playing $2NL. I would play that until you can build your bankroll to at least $150. (I just built mine from $93 to 150 in about 10 days in $2NL.) It'll give you a ton of cheap experience. Post your stats sometime for people to give pointers. And remember, passive poker, is losing poker.

Watch these videos! They helped me a lot. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...eo-t65458.html

Here is my stats on $2NL if you want to compare. I just moved up to $5NL today and it felt weird to be betting so much! (a .50 bet on the flop seemed huge!)

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salsa4ever

01-15-2008, 09:04 AM

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well i wouldn't play like this but it's not the worst. I was way worse when i started

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XTR1000

01-15-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pankfish

I don't think this was played fine. Don't open limp 3 5 suited. If you are going to open then raise. In my opinion this is a fold preflop.

he checked in from the BB

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Ash256

01-15-2008, 06:07 PM

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tighten up a bit especially in early position

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Pythonic

01-15-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pankfish

I don't think this was played fine. Don't open limp 3 5 suited. If you are going to open then raise. In my opinion this is a fold preflop. If you are going to play it I like a raise.

Post flop I don't see what all the min bets are about. If you are going to lead out I like leading out strong on the flop and am fine taking it down there, if not just check. I don't think you would get much value here if opponent had not flopped a full house.

Calling his raise pre is alright and on the flop I would say is a no brainer.

Hero is in the big blind so he didn't open limp, there also wasn't any preflop raise in this hand. Did you even look over the hand before giving advice?

Go_Indy

01-15-2008, 06:42 PM

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In hindsight, which we have, could this have went any better?

Whever I flop, or turn, or river, the stone cold nuts, I always wonder what I should bet to extract max value. I never know what the precise amount is/was I should bet.

Now, generally, I would just bet my monsters, and go from there. I would toss in a bet, and pray he called. In this case, obviously, the opponent was going to raise, iwas going to pay you off, pretty much no matter what....except...if you tried slow playing it. Even then, he can elect not to slowplay, and he might bet.

Now, the player was the BB. He didn't limp in, but if he had, that doesn't seem all that bad to me. Limping into a hand with some goofs every once in awhile is not the end of the world.

sihaust

01-26-2008, 06:07 AM

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Now, generally, I would just bet my monsters, and go from there. I would toss in a bet, and pray he called. In this case, obviously, the opponent was going to raise, iwas going to pay you off, pretty much no matter what....except...if you tried slow playing it. Even then, he can elect not to slowplay, and he might bet.

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JustMe

01-27-2008, 06:21 PM

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He was just mad that he lost the hand. I'm not ever folding a straight flush draw on the flop. Why he didn't raise his 7's preflop is beyond me.

I just don't understand minibetting. I've seen people do it with real strong hands on the flop only to get outdrawn on. If I have any of the flop I'm certainly not folding to that.

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