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09-12-2008, 06:21 AM
Post subject: Did I play this ok?
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3-of-a-Kind
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($2.34)
SB ($5.71)
BB ($3.68)
UTG ($2.05)
MP ($2.94)
Hero (CO) ($1.76)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.30) 6, 9, A (2 players)
SB bets $0.07, Hero raises to $0.34, SB raises to $0.61, Hero raises to $1.62 (All-In), SB calls $1.01
Turn: ($3.54) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($3.54) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $3.54 | Rake: $0.15
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SB had a flush
people only minraise with the nuts
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oskar
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Originally Posted by iopq
SB had a flush
people only minraise with the nuts
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So you're laying down TPTK with the nut flush draw?
Even if you're pretty sure he has a flush, I think you have to push to the re-raise. You have a good enough chance to draw out, and I don't think you're up against a flush here even half of the time.
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Originally Posted by oskar
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Originally Posted by iopq
SB had a flush
people only minraise with the nuts
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So you're laying down TPTK with the nut flush draw?
Even if you're pretty sure he has a flush, I think you have to push to the re-raise. You have a good enough chance to draw out, and I don't think you're up against a flush here even half of the time. |
I am flatting the minraise.
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KillsAids
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I would play this exactly like OP.
I like the PF bet (7x BB is pretty good for value in that game and you still will get action). A minraise here could mean they also have another Ax in their hand. And last but not least, I'd rather get the money in on the flop than on a non-diamond turn.
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Originally Posted by KillsAids
I would play this exactly like OP.
I like the PF bet (7x BB is pretty good for value in that game and you still will get action). A minraise here could mean they also have another Ax in their hand. And last but not least, I'd rather get the money in on the flop than on a non-diamond turn.
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No, they would like check/call to the river with Ax because they're not sure if they're good
or they would raise really high hoping you'd go away
this UNDERSIZE BET - MINRAISE line is indicating they're afraid of losing you, betting as little as possible so you won't fold
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wellrounded08
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PF: Why not plain old 4xBB? I guess if you ALWAYS raise 7xBB... Idunno about that.
Flop: Perfecto. You have TPTK, and the Nut flush draw. If villain is raising w/ the flush, and we have to assume he is. that leaves us with 7 outs.(you have 1d, villain has 2, and board shows 3=6. leaving 7 in the deck.)
Plus I like shoving it here because some villains fold sets at this level becaus of "flushfobia"
EDIT: I AM A 10NL FISH! Take my advice w/ a Grain 0' salt.
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Biglines
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3-of-a-Kind
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From what I have seen at this level, a lot of players will place Ax like it is the nuts in a situation like this.
Also my thinking went that if he has a flush, I might just get a fold out of him as I know he doesnt have the nut flush.
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Chopper
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OP was ok-ish. but, you need a read here to shove, imo.
big pfr is great down here. it gets called. in fact, bigger gets called, too. you need to raise whatever amount gets fields down to HU when you have a hand that does well HU. AKs doesnt care if there are 2 or 10 players in a pot, but AA does.
and, no, you dont have to push over the minraise, but they arent ALWAYS the nuts. they are a lot, but its also 2 pr here a lot or a set. 2NL players can be unpredictable AND "pigeon-holing" them is a sure sign of leakage.
the greatest thing about the minraise is how stupidly our opponents use them. look at your glorious odds!! and, dont get me started on the implied odds the minraise gives you. if he has a flush, he is stupidly allowing you to draw, profitably, to the nuts. just call it here and stick it when it hits. this guy wont fold...he minraised for a reason.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
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sarbox68
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You're TPTK is prolly no good... if it's not a made flush, then as Chop said - set or two pair (A9) possible. Min-raises are wacky at these levels 'cause they're really rarely thought out. There's a chunk of vils who believe any raise has FE regardless of bet-sizing, so don't assume it's for value only on a nuts hand. That being said... I'd discount my TPTK.
So that leaves you drawing to the nut flush. You absolutely have the odds to call, and no fear of another diamond hitting -- he isn't folding so you'll still get the value if you hit. Interesting thing with this Turn is that it puts a boat on the table - so your FD isn't the nuts anymore. Now your TPTK is still unlikely good and you may be drawing dead if he flopped a set... plus your 4:1 to even make your flush. At this point, I'm perfectly happy to check/fold vs. any real aggression and save 60-ish% of my stack.
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badgers
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uhhhh
unknown.
2nl.
TPTK and NFD.
Trivial shove imo.
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bode
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Originally Posted by iopq
I am flatting the minraise.
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Originally Posted by Chopper
OP was ok-ish. but, you need a read here to shove, imo.
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you guys need to stop giving advice like this because its so beyond horrible its not even funny.
OP, the hand was played absolutely perfectly and there are zero other ways to play it iyam. im not one to advocate the huge raise pre, but the money was going in on the flop either way.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by bode
you guys need to stop giving advice like this because its so beyond horrible its not even funny.
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Getting it in on the flop is good/standard.
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jyms
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I play it the same way.
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SiCK_Boy
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Can someone explain what's the point of raising the 0,07 $ bet on the flop? Are you trying to make the villain fold? If so, why? What are you afraid of? Or were you just looking to put more cash in the pot?
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oskar
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Originally Posted by SiCK_Boy
Can someone explain what's the point of raising the 0,07 $ bet on the flop? Are you trying to make the villain fold? If so, why? What are you afraid of? Or were you just looking to put more cash in the pot?
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The villains bet is something you can almost ignore, it's ridiculous. And obviously you are betting this for value. TPTK and a nut flush draw - how much better does it get in HE?
I don't pay attention to those minraises because they're done for all kinds of reasons, none of them are sound. This could be a bluff as well as a value bet. The only thing you can tell from this bet is that he's probably wearing a helmet and drooling Cheerios on his keyboard at the very moment he makes it.
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oskar
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Originally Posted by iopq
I am flatting the minraise.
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Seriously?
If he pushes on the turn, what do you do? - you're not getting the odds to call if you're convinced you need to draw out. - with a push on the flop you would give yourself the right odds.
What if he checks? You check behind and hope to hit the river? What if you don't hit the river and he checks, do you check behind? What if he moves in on the river, do you lay it down?
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Biglines
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Originally Posted by SiCK_Boy
Can someone explain what's the point of raising the 0,07 $ bet on the flop?
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getting value
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daven
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Originally Posted by badgers
uhhhh
unknown.
2nl.
TPTK and NFD.
Trivial shove imo.
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this
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kmind
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You have to get it in on the flop because many worse cards call. Stupid TPWK, weird draws, stupid crap and we have the draw to the nuts.
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