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bunthorne
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11-19-2005, 04:32 PM
Post subject: Did I play badly?
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Any advice on this?
It's a cash game, NL, blinds 1 and 2. I'm on the button with about $150 and raise to 4xbb with A9 offsuit, not a great hand but worth a position raise I felt. Two players call.
Flop comes A 8 6, two hearts, one diamond. It is cheked to me. I have top pair but am wary of my kicker, although I suspect that anyone with a higher kicker would have raised or maybe even reraised pre-flop. To find out where I am and as I don't want anyone drawing cheap, I make a pot sized bet. One player calls (he has about $230) the other folds. I suspect the caller (who I have noted as a fairly solid player but who like to see flops and can be loose occasionally) is drawing to a heart flush, a straight (although I dismiss this as he called a pre-flop raise), has an A with a smaller kicker or maybe second pair. I am fairly certain I'm in front.
Turn brings the T of diamonds. Caller checks to me and I make a pot sized bet. Caller calls.
River is 7 of diamonds. Caller moves all-in. I can't put him on a flush as he called the flop with one diamond (unless he has the A and a smaller diamond). I figure that the straight I have made is very likely to be in front and so I call.
He turns over K8 of diamonds and I have lost my stack. He called pot sized bets with second pair and a three-flush on the flop and second pair and a four flush on the turn. I can understand the latter call but not the former.
Where did I go wrong? Was I incorrect to call? I knew a flush was a possibility but couldn't persuade myself that he had it. Or is this just a bad beat or poor play by an opponent who got lucky?
Any comments welcome - I'm still learning!
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Irisheyes
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11-19-2005, 04:59 PM
Post subject: Re: Did I play badly?
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: over there
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I you had of thought this:
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Originally Posted by bunthorne
I have top pair but am wary of my kicker,
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Before you did this:
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Originally Posted by bunthorne
I'm on the button with about $150 and raise to 4xbb with A9 offsuit, not a great hand but worth a position raise I felt.
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You would have saved yourself all the agonising that followed.
Other then that he's a lucky fish. I still fold the river though, not because I think he hit the flush but because I only have TPNK. Theres a ton of things he could have that beat me.
Keeping yourself out of tough spots is more profitable then makng good decisions in tough spots.
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Sed
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Wastin' away again in margaritaville....
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I would have figured him for a set with that action...
- sed
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No fear, go deep or go home!
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Arjonius
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2005
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The opponent was adventurous, but when your post-flop bet is called by someone you have tabbed as fairly solid, it looks like there's a good chance you're behind, even though it's not so in actuality. If so, I'm not sure I like continuing to bet unless you're deliberately trying to get him to fold the better hand.
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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OP had a straight to the ten with the 9 in his hand. I would probably go broke against this backdoor flush too. If it had been a 3rd heart that hit, I may be able to get away from it.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
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I think that final call depends alot on how big the stack sizes are compared to the pot. I wouldnt figure my A9 to be ahead here much after a call on the flop and turn and then the third flush card on top of that but if there was only a little left that he pushed then i dont think its tooooo bad a river call. If he went in for more than the size of the pot though i think its pretty terrible.
I fold preflop or maybe try a raise + continuation bet as a steal.
If he calls my flop bet i want a cheap showdown or fold
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
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When someone plays a hand that passively and on the river goes all in, you know he's hit a draw or two pair.
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Off5th
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ewa Beach
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IMO I'd only raise with A9o in late position if I have observed the table enough to steal my oppenents blinds (If it's a substantial amount). Other than that I'd fold preflop. I wouldn't bet with it post flop with no kicker though. If it's checked to me i'll gladly take a free card. If not then maybe I'll see the next card cheaply or i'll muck. Your opponent did get lucky on his draw. But I think its more important to prevent those situations of being unlucky. Going to the showdown with A9o is hoping for a prayer.
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bunthorne
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 147
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Thanks for the tips and advice, everyone.
I take the point about A9 offsuit being weak, but I confess that if I am on the button on a six player table and it is folded to me, as was the case here, then I often raise with A9 or even less to try and pick up the blinds. Perhaps I am playing too loose and asking for trouble!
On the river when I had the straight, not just TPTK, and he pushed all in, I again take the point that such a player has hit something, but as the flush was backdoored I still couldn't persuade myself that he had it. More fool me!
I'll keep learning.
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