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Old 02-24-2009, 07:59 PM     Post subject: Defending with A9s b vs b #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain was TAG running 18/13 over 223 hands. He raised 38% from the SB so a lot of the time when it was folded to him. We hadn't been battling much or anything, but he'd raised my blind 3 times or so in about 5 orbits at the table.

Is my line okay here? Really didn't want to felt this obviously, but felt folding the turn was too weak as he could double barrell here with fds weaker aces and soemtimes air.

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MP ($4)
Button ($22.33)
SB ($21.32)
Hero (BB) ($20.17)
UTG ($9.97)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, A
3 folds, SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.60) 2, A, 2 (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $3.40, Hero calls $3.40

River: ($10.80) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $10.80, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.80

 
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:21 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I don't think being passive is the best line here. I think A9s is good enough for you to 3-bet him preflop if he's been raising a lot BvB. Raise preflop to re-steal, raise for value and it makes decision post flop easier since you have position.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:58 PM #3 (permalink)  

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3BET preflop with the reads you have on him. If you think he's playing a range like AA, A2o+, A2s+ and playing them all post-flop in this way, then your equity is like 50% so a call on the river is fine. Considering A2, A3 and AA are unlikely then your equity is even better.
I know he's a 18/13 TAG but that doesn't make him good. What do you know about his post-flop play? Is he over-aggressive and spewy? This is especially something to consider in blind battles because lots of TAG players will overplay here.

To me his pot bet on the river looks like either something big like AA, AK/AQ and maybe even AJ or it could be him trying to get you off a weak ace with his even weaker ace or less, knowing that you fold a lot.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:06 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Okay how is your image? If you have 200+ hands on this guy and he's TAG, he's probably got you on PT as well, and he's been raising the shit out of your blind so he's postionally aware and has payed enough attention to know you like to fold.
The pot bet on the river is kinda weird..is that a standard line for him?
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 My image here is pretty aggro. I've been isolating limpers a good amount, playing my usual att to steal of around 35-40%. He knows I'm aggressive from this, he may have seen me not defend my blind much also. However, I haven't played with this guy before as I've no notes or tag on him. The hands I have must be datamined.

I didn't think a 3 barrell with air would be a common line for him. Also, after I call the turn all i can really have is a fd - which i may well raise on the flop, or an ace or better. I don't think it's common for regs at 20NL to try to bluff you off of a strong range. Thought my hand was face up as at least an ace and that he had no reason to think I'd fold one, but this may be nitty thinknig.

 
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Old 02-25-2009, 07:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I agree completely with the last part of your post Carroters.
I fold this, seems like he knows you have an ace and wants maximum value with his PSB.

His range is polarized to bluffs are better aces than yours. Most players at micros are almost never bluffing rivers when it's very likely you have TP.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:59 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I don't think it's common for regs at 20NL to try to bluff you off of a strong range. Thought my hand was face up as at least an ace and that he had no reason to think I'd fold one, but this may be nitty thinknig.
Your thought isn´t bad, but your range is definetly not a strong one here. Your hand is face up as a something that doesnt want to put a lot of money in, so a good villian is probably betting his entire range on this river (at least he should be to get u off a chop when u both we´re drawing to a diamond.)

Without knowing better I agree with minsim that he´s polarized here to missed FDs and stronger aces. I think soulread his betsize, calling isnt too bad imo

Board: 2d Ad 2c 3h 3s
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.478% 43.48% 00.00% 20 0.00 { As9s }
Hand 1: 56.522% 56.52% 00.00% 26 0.00 { AcAh, AcAs, AhAs, 33-22, AcKc, AhKh, AsKs, AcQc, AhQh, AsQs, AJs, AcTc, AhTh, AsTs, Ad9d, As9s, Ad8d, A7s, Ac3c, Ah2h, As2s, KdQd, Kd9d, Kd8d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d, 5d4d, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AsKc, AsKd, AsKh, Ac3d, Ah3c, Ah3d, As3c, As3d, Ac2h, Ac2s, Ah2s, As2h }
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:00 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:31 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Can you explain why this is better, the blind info isn't much help on it's own.

I didn't 3 bet to use my position and and because he's either going to fold to a 3 bet when behind or 4 bet me as he's good enough to not want to play oop in a 3 bet pot ever b vs b. So I am essentially bluffing if I 3 bet rightin this spot right? If my hand was strong enough to felt pre flop I'd defo raise.

Again I didn't raise flop because I'd get shoved on by fds and better aces and didn't see a prurpose in it with a somewhat marginal hand.

 
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:43 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Based on your read on villian your A9 is ahead of his range, however it is not a very strong hand, if you 3bet and pick up the pot right there it is a good result, if he does not fold you have a better chance of picking it after the flop since he is less inclined to bluff after you reraised.

On the flop you got a relatively good flop for you, 2 is probably not in his range, so he either missed the flop, have an A with a worse kicker or has an A with a better kicker or has a FD, he can bet any of those

If he has a better ace we are in a bad spot, but while it is possible it is not that likely.
If he has an A with a worse kicker you are giving him a chance to catch up, as any A,2,K,Q,J,T spilts the pot and he can still hit his 3 outer to take the lead, so raising and getting him to fold is good, raising and getting him to call is not that bad
If he has a FD you want to charge him to draw
If he is bluffing then calling is the correct move hoping he would bet again, which is possible but not guaranteed.

I also think your fold on the river was bad, your hand looks like a FD more then anything else, he could bet all the way here with A with a worse kicker and with any mid-high PP


 
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