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deucesomething
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06-01-2010, 09:20 AM
Post subject: Dealing with spewtards (10NL)
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3-of-a-Kind
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These guys are just annoying. Especially when the deck is not cooperating. I can't cbet my iso because they'll just call with a backdoor gutshot. If I check to them, they overbet the flop and I have to fold 90% of my hands. My non showdown graph is below $0 because of these guys. What's the best way of dealing against these monkeys without having to wait an hour to flop a pair?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by deucesomething
My non showdown graph is below $0 because of these guys.
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So what? No-showdown winnings are driven by the dynamic of you and your opponent. If he's not folding, you should be bluffing less. If he's not very bright, you still can steal with impunity when you can read him for no hand or the board is such that he has no hand to even call thin with too often.
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Originally Posted by deucesomething
What's the best way of dealing against these monkeys without having to wait an hour to flop a pair?
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Figure out what amount of money it gets "serious" for them and follow through with big money every now and then. You will look silly and lose some big pots doing this, but if you're good it will show a profit and get him to call even more of your value bets for even more money.
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Santo2True
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it happens.. good thing is if you are playing smart, in the long run you profit.. fish get lucky by playing stupid, but in the long run, THEY are the losers... just keep doing what you know you should be doing maybe just check back missed flops occasionaly when the time is right. sometimes you'll catch a cooler, but you just have to move on and take a note
for ex.
weaktight | Hand | AA - $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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"Those who say it can't be done, shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it"
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WildBill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deucesomething
These guys are just annoying. Especially when the deck is not cooperating. I can't cbet my iso because they'll just call with a backdoor gutshot. If I check to them, they overbet the flop and I have to fold 90% of my hands. My non showdown graph is below $0 because of these guys. What's the best way of dealing against these monkeys without having to wait an hour to flop a pair?
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Don't focus on continuation betting. Think about two bets:
1. Value bet
2. Bluff
Now ask yourself this:
1. Do I have a hand that I can bet for value against this guy?
2. Can I make this guy fold the better hand?
If you're thinking should I cbet, you're thinking wrong. Know why are you betting.
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rpm
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think about what it is that makes these so-called "spewtards" spewtards and then decide a strategy whereby you make money from their "spewtardish" tendencies. play your range in a way which exploits these tendencies.
"i can't cbet my iso because they'll just call with a gutshot"
- if your opponens call cbets with a very weak range, then you can adjust your value betting range, because against this particular opponent, a lot more hands can be bet for value, as they call cbets with a weak range.
"If I check to them, they overbet the flop and I have to fold 90% of my hands"
- find out what they are doing this with and consider how to exploit it. i'm guessing this one will depend on what part of thei range they overbet the flop with. if they habitually overbet the flop when they have air, then you can probably begin check/calling with weak-ish one pair hands.
i am just as bad, if not worse, than you are at poker so these adjustments might not be "correct". it would be well worth checking out spoonitnow's series of exercises, if you haven't already, which help you start thinking about how to play your range in order to exploit your opponents tendencies.
oh, and the deck not co-operating with you in a particular session shouldnt change the way you decide to play your range. the deck co-operates with no-one over a large sample. good luck!
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rpm
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the exercises i refer to are in the BC Digest under "Spoony Exercise 1:..." etc etc
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Santo2True
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weaktight | Hand | AA - $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Santo2True
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lmao... good to see there are feesh at higher stakes too incase i ever get there...
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"Those who say it can't be done, shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it"
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donkfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deucesomething
I can't cbet my iso because they'll just call with a backdoor gutshot.
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If you're ahead of his range and he'll overpay to draw, I don't see a problem here. Just don't pay him off when the draw gets there.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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spoonitnow
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I'm not sure if I should lock this thread or put it in the digest.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Micro2Macro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deucesomething
These guys are just annoying. Especially when the deck is not cooperating. I can't cbet my iso because they'll just call with a backdoor gutshot. If I check to them, they overbet the flop and I have to fold 90% of my hands. My non showdown graph is below $0 because of these guys. What's the best way of dealing against these monkeys without having to wait an hour to flop a pair?
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OMG NOOOOO THE RED LINE IS SUFFERING
Leave table obviously, go find some nits to play with.
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Move up where they respect your raises.
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