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Jager
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10-06-2006, 03:37 AM
Post subject: Dealing with Preflop Minraises
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Full House
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How do you handles these?
Situation: Your in late Pos. you get a minraiser then 1+ callers?
You have:
1. SC ie 87s
2. Med PP ie 77
What do you do?
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The Izebox
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It depends on how bad the players are. Im assuming that they are bad from the EP min raising and EP calling. If they were truly terrible players i would probably just call with both hands. You probably arent going to win the pot preflop, and if you miss your flop it will be difficult to win in a showdown or take the pot down on a continuation bet.
If the players are better then I would reraise, depending on my image I might reraise with both. If my image is loose I would probably call only with the SC tho. I like to reraise in situation like this because you squeeze out all the callers , usually seeing a pot heads up in position with a good amount of dead money in the pot and a decent hand that has the potential to hit and to win on a cbet.
So, bad table=call
Good table, Tight image reraise both hands
Good table, loose image, call SC reraise 77.
I like to punish players who try to see cheap flops. Besides stealing their blinds preflop you also gain a tremendous psychlogical edge by making them preoccupied with your preflop reraises.
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Miffed22001
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call in both
Anything likely to have them dominated gets reraised big.
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The Izebox
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Flush
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i dont see how calling only with a mid pp (im assuming we are talking 6 max) is a good play. You have got to reraise and punish those callers who are trying to see a cheap flop. Yeah u can call only and set farm but that is BORING.
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Renton
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by izybx
i dont see how calling only with a mid pp (im assuming we are talking 6 max) is a good play. You have got to reraise and punish those callers who are trying to see a cheap flop. Yeah u can call only and set farm but that is BORING.
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bloating the pot with a weak hand is exciting, undoubtedly
but not a good play.
If im raising with the mid pair, its not an isolation raise, its a pot building set farming raise.
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biondino
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I might well call pre-flop and then bet or raise on a dryish flop.
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The Izebox
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I think not reraising preflop with a mid pp 77-99 in the late position is weak. Renton didnt i see you make a post earlier saying how you like to open from the ep with mid pps on full ring because the only way that you can win the pot if you miss your set is by isolating the pot to heads up?
If i see a min raise from the ep and a bunch of callers im reraising the same range of hands that i would be raisng into a field of limpers. It is essentially the same situation. If you arent reraising preflop with 77-99 are you then only limping on the button if the entire table limps in? Because if you are doing one then you have to do the other, its the exact same situation
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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izybx, the difference here, is that someone has shown what might be strength by minraising in early position. If we threebet, the action goes back around to him, he looks at the pot and see a LOT of dead money, and fourbet pushes with a lot of hands (though not enough hands that we can call with a mid pair).
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The Izebox
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Youre assuming that an ep min raise means the guy has a big poclet pair. I dont think you will see that play very often at all (maybe in mtt or sng). An aggressive player that might try to 4 bet you with a marginal hand isnt min raising from the ep period. I think 9/10 times you are against marginal overs or another pp that you may be able to push them off of on the flop. The four bet situation you are describing just isnt going to happen very often where reraising preflop is a bad play.
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Jager
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Full House
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My tendency has ben to deal with these as limpers, raise behind with the PP, call with SCs and SGs.
How many callers do you guys need to call a full 4xBB raise from EP with SCs and SGs?
Example: UTG opens 4xbb, MP1 calls do you also call? Or do you need more callers? Or never call?
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andy-akb
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I agree with izybx here and was going to make a similar post regarding different situations, but he said it well enough.
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FlopTurnThenRivered
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Jager, if I'm in late position, even if nobody has called the 4x bb raise I might call with a suited connector and if I hit a draw or a middle pair I like floating on the c-bet and hope to take the pot down on a later street, or hit a real hand and win a big pot.
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Fnord
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I'm re-raising a wide range.
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