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a500lbgorilla
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10-03-2004, 09:11 PM
Post subject: Creating a new table image
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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I play in a big cash game down here at my college with some high calibur players. I used to play at home for stakes much smaller than here but they turned me on to the indepth world of poker. The entire table are brutes who like to push around weak players like myself when they sense any weakness and they are all willing to gamble. That's fine and I have had moderate success against them. But my problem is that I keep getting outdrawn. I always go into pots with the stats on my side and win my fair share, but as time goes on I'll eventually lose one big pot and bring me way back down. EX: i go from 50 bucks to 150 over the course of an hour by getting good hands and calling large re-raise from bullies and ofcourse, then im dealt a good hand like AKo and am taken all in preflop and lose to AJo (which happens to me frequently) and my stake goes from 150 to zero in one hand. It seems to have a successful night, I need to win everytime I'm a favorite, which means through the course of the night, it's unlikely that I will win.
I need to know how i can create a table image of someone who can't be pushed around so they stop constantly putting me to a test for all my money.
Here are two hands from today: I'm dealt pocket 7s in the BB and check with 3 players to the flop. The flop comes an unconnected 10 high. So I bet what is a fairly strong hand on the flop and am immideatly pushed all in. I figure the player, notorius for pushing on bad flops, is just trying to take it down, so i call and sure enough he has queen jack off and draws for a queen on the turn.
I'm dealt AKo in mid position and raise, where I'm immideatly re-raised, to which I push and am called with AJo and he makes a 4flush.
They like to push me around becuase I can be when I miss a flop or hit it lightly but even when I know I have a better hand, every so often, I lose all my chips becuase they hit an out or two.
Help.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Fnord
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Sounds like you're doing just fine. Play trap poker and be willing to call a little thin until they back off.
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Iconoclastic
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Sounds like your blinds are a little too low.
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AllinLife
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Flush
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try weak bet traps with monster hands
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"Is there any chance I'm going to lay this 9-high baby down? That's really not my style."
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kidpoker22
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Honestly, I have no way of evaluated your ability from what you said, but has you ever considered that maybe that game isn't right for you yet...key word is yet.
I'm a college student too, and last year I played in a $10/20 home game with my Dad and some of his doctor buddies. I was definately underbankrolled for the game even though my Dad had a %50 percent stake on me. I played sooooo timidly that first time and I felt like I was always beat. But, in time, as I got more confortable with my ability to read people are started destroying that game to the point where I'm not invited back anymore . It's just a suggestion, but maybe you should take some time off from that game, and as you accumulate experience you might feel a little more confident.
Hope that helps.
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KP22
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michael1123
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It sounds like you don't have the bankroll to play with them, and therefore are starting off with less chips than them. I get that from you saying that they seem to put you all in so many times that if you get outdrawn you go bust. If you were on even terms with them and tripled your buyin, you'd only be losing a 3rd of your chips on a typical all in.
At the casino I've noticed that people that don't buy in with enough seem to have absolutely no chance to make money or even keep what they buyin with. Even if they happen to double up (which they barely ever do because they play so timidly) they're still likely to get put all in a few times after a few big hands.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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I have the bankroll for it no sweat, but i have been decreasing my buy in from when i used to sit with 50 to now when i sit with 35 and just leave when I'm done. My reasoning was that the outdraw would only cost 35 instead of 50. I never realized it was becuase of the 35 that I keep getting taken all in.
I'll see how it goes this week, thanks guys.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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