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cardsman1992
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07-18-2006, 05:03 PM
Post subject: Is this crap typical?
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Last night, I saw the following hands limped preflop.
AQo in LP
QQ
KK
Is this typical play at $50 NL? Try to disguise your hands preflop all the time? It seems like some people limp everything, and others raise almost everything....
Sure tricked me....lost AJ in LP vs the AQ, KJ in LP on a JQx flop where I checked it down after he called my flop bet (and he didn't raise with the set)...., and QQ in LP after KK limped/called my raise on a J high board. I kept betting away thinking I was good.....
Not a very productive first night, although I did get a couple of scalps along the way.
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EricE
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Deception does become a bigger part of the game as you get higher in stakes. That said, I wouldn't expect to see this much at $50. It was just a rare night I think.
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It isn't common, but it definitely happens. I saw AA limped from EP twice at Party 50NL the other night, both times were from 35/0-ish players though. Unfortunately one of the times I had 22 and flop came A92 
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Jay67s
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In my travels through 50nl and now 100nl, you will see quite a few full time players with very low PFR% (I play mostly on Poker room skins). They look to make big hands post flop and get you pay.
Most of time these guys are raising preflop just to steal or isolate, not because they have AA or KK
I even had one of these player check down QQ on a J high board on the turn and river. (I had raised Pre-flop and missed the flop -- cbet -- he called -- then checked it down)
Once they make 2 pair or better, watch out.
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cardsman1992
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Not to get off topic, but what is your handle?
Have I played against you?
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Jay67s
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maybe, I play 100nl full ring for about the last 2 months or so. 50nl before that. (hopefully move up to 200nl in 30 days)
Jay67s or The3js on 2 different poker room skins. Whats your handle?
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Galapogos
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This is not too uncommon. Most of the time though its a bad player trying something new. It's very rare at that level. Like someone said earlier, weird night.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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cardsman1992
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Originally Posted by Jay67s
maybe, I play 100nl full ring for about the last 2 months or so. 50nl before that. (hopefully move up to 200nl in 30 days)
Jay67s or The3js on 2 different poker room skins. Whats your handle?
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Don't recall seeing you, but I will look. I have the following handles bepending on the skin:
cardsman1992
cardsman1974
c-man92
mjschell
I will keep an eye out for you, though!
I took notes on each person that did that immediately. Two of them were downright rocks, and the other was pretty loose/passive.....
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Greedo017
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its pretty rare at any level because it is a horrible play in most circumstances people at 50nl do it in. don't expect it to happen, just keep in mind if a rock is playing back at you postflop when they limped preflop, high cards and high pp's are in their range.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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jackvance
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I can't believe you've never seen this before..
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Vrax
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It's more often than not sign of poor players, because overlimping kings in LP is poorest of poor play and it's so -EV that "deception" can't compansate being outflopped by big blind's A6os.
Limping AQos in any seat - yes I see it all the time, limpcalling AKs, very passive and wimpy play. Sometimes you can lose a bundle if you flop dominated pair against that passive limpcaller but more often than not you will take it down on flop when you both miss. You just must be cautious with marginal hands when tight players give you action.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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Renton
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raising the top 8-20% depending on position (including AA and KK) beats any deception that you get from limping AA and KK.
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Vrax
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Yeah, I agree with Renton. Wider raising range=action on future hands. LRR big hands= action killer. Nits try to LRR in order to squeeze some more money on very few hands they play while risking getting cracked, while goot TAGGs give more assertive action and induce many bad calls because opponents misinterpret raising LP with 78s as loose and wrong.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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a500lbgorilla
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one hand a guy limped BEHIND another limper with KK, of course I get run down with QQ when he push reraises and instantly call knowing he has to have 99-JJ
The only other time i've seen KK limped preflop was when i posted in the CO 6 handed, player open limps with KK hoping some aggro player will attack the extra dead money created by my post. It didnt happen and he got run down by some hand for two pair.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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midas06
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dude limp reraises are always AA or KK
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a500lbgorilla
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there was a time when limp reraises where always medium pairs.
Call try for a set, someone raises behind and they push becuase it's obviously a flip game.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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djzcko
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C-man....i've played almost 19k hands there and have rarely seen AA or KK limped in LP. I've seen them limped in EP a lot (hoping for a raise so that they can re-raise). So, don't be worried about it going forward. AQ and AK are limped quite a bit from my experience, however. That is where PT comes in handy...those 1-2% pf raisers with the .01 agression factor are an auto fold when they bet unless you've got the nuts.
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cardsman1992
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Originally Posted by Renton
raising the top 8-20% depending on position (including AA and KK) beats any deception that you get from limping AA and KK.
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That's why it always amazes me when someone limps KK/AA....
Normally they are the rocks that want to get paid.
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djzcko
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Originally Posted by Renton
raising the top 8-20% depending on position (including AA and KK) beats any deception that you get from limping AA and KK.
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I agree with that renton...however, I think it is more effective as you play higher stakes. At the $50nl level, people don't defend blinds much and are generally not aware. As such, raising a wider range of hands does not deceive villain if he is not aware in the 1st place . My experience at $50nl is that most players play their cards and are not worried about what others are doing.
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FlopTurnThenRivered
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Originally Posted by djzcko
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Originally Posted by Renton
raising the top 8-20% depending on position (including AA and KK) beats any deception that you get from limping AA and KK.
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I agree with that renton...however, I think it is more effective as you play higher stakes. At the $50nl level, people don't defend blinds much and are generally not aware. As such, raising a wider range of hands does not deceive villain if he is not aware in the 1st place . My experience at $50nl is that most players play their cards and are not worried about what others are doing. |
You summed that up quite nicely..
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