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Old 02-17-2009, 03:28 PM     Post subject: Couple of hands for check up. #1 (permalink)  
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 1. Villain was an obvious donk playing way to many hands. He ran 54/7/1.2 over 34. Sorry if this is at all standard, had a bad session yesterday and trying to fix any leaks that may be adding to it.

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MP ($19.73)
Button ($5.96)
SB ($21.20)
BB ($5.43)
Hero (UTG) ($20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero raises $1, MP (poster) calls $0.80, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.40) 2, 5, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.30, MP calls $2.30

Turn: ($7) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, MP calls $5.25

River: ($17.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.37, Hero calls $4.37

Total pot: $26.24


2. This one possibly needs flaming. I'd like to think this was fully rational but it was probably a little rash given my state of mind at the end of a bad session.

CO is the same villain from hand 1 and still playing way too loose. SB has only been at the table for 6 hands but is so far 50/0 and very donky looking. I thought COs range to make this stab was FDs OESDs any J any 10 and some random underpairs/air since he seemed very spewy.

SB I thought most likely a draw but top pair was also possible.

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CO ($19.11)
Button ($8.58)
SB ($15.60)
BB ($15.91)
UTG ($7.89)
Hero (MP) ($28.24)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A
1 fold, Hero raises $0.80, CO calls $0.80, 1 fold, SB calls $0.70, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.20) 10, J, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.20, SB calls $3.20, 1 fold, Hero raises $16

Total pot: $12.80

 
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:10 PM #2 (permalink)  
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c-bet flop and turn on hand 2 IMO... I don't mind the check raise if you plan to shove the turn... i'm not so sure on this because I play full ring and that's what I'd do depending on the number of players in the pot... you have two overs and a gutty with backdoor flush... even if he has k j you here you have several outs to win... I'm assuming you play more aggressively in 6-max so if my play is bad someone flame me...

for hand one I'd be stuck also...there isnt much we can beat... the hands we beat would check behind river but it's also the perfect river to bluff on... does villian ever bluff or anything?.. my guess is that he was on a flush draw or had some kinda 4 or 5 in which case we lose to either draw... I'd also find it hard to dump to this donk in this situation and will snap call out of rage...
 
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Ok,
First a general comment regarding playing these types of opponents. Play your big hands hard and fast and only chase multi-way draws if the action doesn't get crazy. These guys play just about the same way every time. They will call with draws, bottom pair, etc. types of hands and then will start leading out, c/r'ing, etc. when they make their big hands.

Hand 1 - His river bet is so small you have to call here, as he may lead out thinking his Ax hand is good now that there are two pair on the board. With that said I would expect to see a flush here a lot, since these types of players LOVE to play any two suited cards.

Hand 2 - There is no way I am cbetting this flop against 3 villains and would probably just fold to CO's bet. Like I mentioned earlier calling stations like this are just not smart enough to fold when they have any sort of a hand so you are just spewing chips trying to get them to fold when YOU don't have anything.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:01 PM     Post subject: Re: Couple of hands for check up. #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I'm ok with, because V is so passive. Against someone more agro I would blocking bet the river.

Hand 2
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SB I thought most likely a draw but top pair was also possible.
Is he folding either of these things?

This is the kind of board where everyone thinks they have outs, including the guy with AQo. We have a gutterball and a backdoor flush draw that probably wont be good if we get action. An As and Qs are scary cards for us, and if one falls we end up going to valuetown.

On top of the 'nobody folding' problem, if CO has any kind of made hand, we're stuck getting the rest of his stack in at some point.

You took it down, but you really should want a lot more information on your opponents before you make a move like this. I doubt anyone as passive as CO here is looking at your move and thinking "Squeeze!", but with only 4 clean outs this is pretty much a pure bluff.
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