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Old 10-08-2009, 09:08 PM     Post subject: A couple hands #1 (permalink)  
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Hand #1: Villain is 18/6/1.2 over 90 hands. He has been very passive. This is a set all day right? Is there a better line to take or is this a standard waste of time hand to post? The reason I bet turn is because I picked up a lot of equity and am basically never folding now.. better to be the aggressor right?


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saw flop | saw showdown

MP3 ($27.65)
CO ($24.95)
FrigginNit (Button) ($53.20)
SB ($6.20)
BB ($30.20)
UTG ($27.75)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
Hero (MP2) ($25.70)



Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 2 folds, FrigginNit calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 8, 3, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.15, FrigginNit calls $1.15

Turn: ($4.15) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.60, FrigginNit calls $2.60

River: ($9.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.90, FrigginNit raises to $27.25, Hero folds

Total pot: $19.15 | Rake: $0.90

Results:
FrigginNit didn't show
Outcome: FrigginNit won $18.25

Hand #2: Villain has played few hands but from the way he wears his hat, appears to be a shortstacking super donkey.

My question is combating shortstackers. Generally, do we cbet them? If we get shoved on after a cbet we are almost always getting the right price. Or do we just wait to hit before doing anything? This seems very exploitable. I am just confused on how anyone makes money short stacking.. he has no implied odds so can't really call with much preflop, and being a 1 more wonder preflop doesn't get value out of bigger hands.

Should I be raising more preflop? Should I cbet smaller if at all?

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saw flop | saw showdown

POS Shortstacker (MP1) ($4.35)
MP2 ($26.65)
MP3 ($29.90)
CO ($25)
Button ($14.65)
SB ($22.45)
Hero (BB) ($25)
UTG ($25.60)
UTG+1 ($6.05)



Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
2 folds, POS Shortstacker calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero bets $1, POS Shortstacker calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 7, 10, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, POS Shortstacker calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.95, POS Shortstacker calls $2.05 (All-In)

River: ($8.80) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $8.80 | Rake: $0.40

Results:
Hero had A, K (one pair, sixes).
POS Shortstacker had K, 2 (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $8.40

I've seen plenty of short stacking guides. Anyone know of a guide on how to play against them?
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:32 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Usual disclaimer: I'm a busto microdonk, take or leave the below analysis, I'm doing it as much for my benefit as yours, etc. etc.

Hand 1.

Preflop: Villain's on the button, so he might be flatting you with a slightly wider range than normal. Let's say something like: {AJs+, AQo+, KQs, 54s-QJs, 22+} I'm leaving premiums in his range as I don't think we can be sure he won't flat with them.

Flop: How often is he folding to c-bets? This isn't a flop that I feel hits your range very hard, so he might be suspicious and call for one street here with most (all?) of his range, especially if you've been c-betting a lot.

Turn: You hit your card and bet again, there's also now a diamond draw. Here I think he's continuing with {AJs, AdQd+, KdQd, 54s, T9s-QJs, 6d5d-9d8d, 22, 33, 88+} Against which pokerstove tells me you have exactly 50% equity, but I'm not sure how often he's calling with the flushdraw here, so this might be marginal. That said I don't see how you can ever not bet here when you hit your card.

River: I don't really like the bet on the river. Calling you is only something like: {AJs, 54s, JTs-QJs, 22, 33, 88+), against which you've only got 36% equity so it's not a good value bet, and I can't think of any better hands that you're getting to fold here so it's not a good bluff, either. When he raises you I think it's either the straight, a set or I guess occasionally a very strangely played overpair- in any event nothing you beat, so an easy fold.
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Old 10-08-2009, 09:43 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I think a ton of worse hands call me on the river here. I fully expected him to call with something like 44, 55, 66, 77, 99, 1010, A8.
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 Both cbets are debatable and the one in hand 2 is probably -EV

hand 1 turn/river are fine but I'd go slightly bigger on both streets

hand 2 turn is about all you can do when you turn a gutterball
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Both cbets are debatable and the one in hand 2 is probably -EV
I think cbet in hand 1 is fine. Hand 2, I think there are some concerns; however, I hate all the other options, so b/f is what I would normally do.

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hand 1 turn/river are fine but I'd go slightly bigger on both streets
Same standard. Bigger is better here. Villain is bad, and calling with plenty worse on both street to bigger bets.

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hand 2 turn is about all you can do when you turn a gutterball
yeah pretty much.
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