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jterry

10-15-2008, 11:22 AM Post subject: Couple hands from $5NL FR

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Here's three hands from may last session (140 hands total) last night @ $5NL FR on Party. Not being results oriented (as I have been informed is very bad), how's my play here?

Hand #1

Villain is 58/9/0.69 (66).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($0.42)
Villain (MP2) ($9.19)
MP3 ($5.08)
Hero (CO) ($5.27)
Button ($1.86)
SB ($13.48)
BB ($2.80)
UTG ($4.52)
UTG+1 ($5.02)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7

, 5

Villain calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.04, 2 folds, BB calls $0.04, 2 folds, UTG checks

Flop: ($0.18) 5

, A

, 5

(4 players)
UTG checks, Villain checks, Hero checks, BB bets $0.08, 1 fold, Villain raises $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.26) 9

(2 players)
Villain raises to $8.65 (All-In), Hero calls $4.73 (All-In)

River: ($10.72) K

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.72

Hand #2

Villain is 54/5/2.1(56).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (10 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Villain (UTG+1) ($5.70)
UTG+2 ($0.92)
MP1 ($8.66)
MP2 ($5)
MP3 ($2.41)
Hero (CO) ($6.24)
Button ($2.06)
SB ($2.05)
BB ($4.96)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, J

UTG+2 calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04, Hero raises $0.20, 5 folds, Villain calls $0.16, UTG+2 calls $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.82) 10

, 7

, Q

(4 players)
Villain bets $0.55, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.92) 8

(2 players)
Villain bets $2.08, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.92

Hand #3

Villain is 27/24/4(62).

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($9.45)
MP2 ($5.18)
Villain (CO) ($4.59)
Hero (Button) ($5.54)
SB ($3.78)
BB ($1.82)
UTG ($5.08)
UTG+1 ($1.52)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, J

1 fold, BB calls $0.04, 3 folds, Hero raises $0.20, Villain calls $0.18, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.48) 9

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.36, Villain raises $1, Hero raises $2.64, Villain raises to $4.39 (All-In), Hero calls $1.39

Turn: ($9.26) 10

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.26) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.26

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Biglines

10-15-2008, 12:47 PM

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Fold hand 1 pre or raise to try and steal?

not sure about hands 2 & 3

ChrisBCritter

10-15-2008, 01:41 PM

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Hand 1: Fold Pre and it's not even close. If you have to play it, try to steal by raising Pre. BET THE FLOP OR CHECK RAISE with the flush draw out there. FOLD TURN. Villains AF is low, and you have a very exploitable hand. He has at least a flush here every time, if not a FH.
Hand 2: Looks fine, maybe a little passive on the flop though. I'd like a flop raise better than a turn fold... Keep your aggression/control when you raise Pre. Don't beat yourself up over this one,
Hand 3: The converter messed up the action, I'm assuming villan limp called? Considering how aggressive your villain is, there's not much wrong here. Sometimes he shows up with a 9, sometimes the flush draw. Again, don't worry about it!

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jtx51

10-15-2008, 02:55 PM

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For hand 1, I'd normally fold 75s pre, but as played, definitely get AI on the flop. Unless you have a read that that villain open limps AA, we can rule that out of his range based on those stats. That leaves you beat by only 85+ on the flop, and while that's possible, with three 5's accounted for already, I'm not giving him credit for that considering his huge limping range.

If he has the straight and flush draws with 4c3c, you have 65.9% equity. If he has a flush draw, you have 73.7% equity. If he has AX or an overpair, you have even more equity, so it's an easy shove. Given his low AF, Villain has shown with the check/raise that he clearly likes his hand, so he's likely calling a shove or shoving over your reraise here. It's important to get the money in with your set on the flop if you can, because you have huge equity, and you don't want to give the flush a chance to draw out on you.

Just the other day I posted an HH about getting AI with my set on a draw board, and the consensus was to get the money in. Remember, even if his likely flush draw busts you, you still won most of that pot with your equity. It'll pay off over time.

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AFchung

10-15-2008, 03:10 PM

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hand 1 is really bad. fold pre or raise pre. as played, get it in on the flop. hes got an ace or a flush draw, and if he wants to hit that club you have to make him pay for it. don't slowplay

hand 2 is good

hand 3 not too sure. i'd do the same thing but hopefully someone better at poker can help us out with this one. a 9 is definitely in the BB's range though

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jterry

10-16-2008, 02:34 AM

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Hand #1 - What's the reasoning for not limping after a few limpers with low sc, in position (in the CO)? At this table, I had been playing really tight, not getting any real solid hands. I'm trying to see a cheap flop and hit hard, since Villain is very aggro (maniac). I'd normally fold this hand, but since there were a few limpers, I just wanted to see a flop. After the flop against this Villain, I have no problem getting it all in here. So 2 mistakes in this hand: not folding (or raising) pf, and not shoving on the flop?

Hand #2 - Villain was super aggressive at this table. A few hands later I saw him lose a big pot on a bluff with 92o. In this spot though, I thought my jacks were pretty weak, even against a maniac. I didn't like the flop too much, being an over card, 2 to a flush, and a coordinated board. I was calling to see what villain would do on the turn. I didn't like the 8 on the turn, since it could have made him a straight, or 2 pair. He may have been on a complete bluff. Didn't know what to put him on, so gave him benefit of the doubt and just folded.

Hand #3 - On the flop, I thought my hand was good. I don't put villain on a higher pair since no 3bet pf. I don't put him on a 9 either, since most of the hands I've seen him play were high cards. Pocket 6's were possible. I put him on 2 high cards, and possibly a fd. I thought I was ahead in this hand, so I put it all in on the flop.

martindcx1e

10-16-2008, 05:18 AM

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I don't really see the problem with the limp in hand 1. This is passive (generally) microstakes poker. People are retarded and are likely to pay off when you hit.

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Biglines

10-16-2008, 07:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

I don't really see the problem with the limp in hand 1. This is passive (generally) microstakes poker. People are retarded and are likely to pay off when you hit.

If you should limp in with this hand, then you should also limp in with a lot of other crap.

I dont really see how this is profitable as you will probably end up getting into a lot of difficult situations. Rather just focus on strong hands and let the micro donks give you their money.

AFchung

10-16-2008, 08:44 AM

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i like limping with these hands when more than 1 person has already limped before us. with only 1 limper it doesn't seem as potentially profitable

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Muzzard

10-16-2008, 09:35 AM

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Hand 1 - Personally I don't liek the limp here vs 1 limper. Sure I'd liimp along if I had position CO/BU and there were multiple limpers. I'd much prefer to isoraise with a hand like this vs one limper. As played 3bet the flop, turn is meh - I'm not sure I call here, unless he is uber aggro and retarded enough to show up with Ax alot.

Hand 2
Turn fold is fine, please raise more pre. Raise 4bb+1bb for every limper so here it should be 0.24, I know its only a small difference!

Hand 3
This is really dependent on villain, if you think PP's/FD's are in his range alot here then getting it all-in is fine as I doubt he limp calls with bigger. If you think he is passive and his range is mainly 9x/66 a fold is fine too.

Chopper

10-16-2008, 01:49 PM

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my opinions...

one.. villian is a collosal fish. valuebet the hell out of him. he will pay premiums to chase draws and he is in a lot of pots. dont bluff him and respect his raises.

so, pf? i dont play it there often, but whatevs. not a huge biggie, imo. flop? LEAD OUT! pot it. its a limped pot and you dont know if someone else will. grab value and protect against the flush draw. turn? oops. .69AF just open shoved. time to get out, imo. especially, for such a big shove.

two.. another fish, but this one seems more aggro post flop. call him down more liberally than usual unless he starts overbetting pots...then, watch what he shows and start adjusting.

pf, flop, etc.. i think you're fine.

three.. someone is trying to be a tag, but still a bit loose. let him overplay his marginal stuff and overbet his draws.

flop? you kind of committed yourself by RRing. just call his raise. keep that pot smallish for when he has the 9. let him continue to spew off the FD if he wants to. call down as long as you remain an overpair through the turn.

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martindcx1e

10-16-2008, 03:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Biglines

Quote:

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

I don't really see the problem with the limp in hand 1. This is passive (generally) microstakes poker. People are retarded and are likely to pay off when you hit.

I dont really see how this is profitable as you will probably end up getting into a lot of difficult situations.

I should have added "if you don't get spewy when you don't hit a monster" to my post.

and yes, iso-raise here is prob better but the limp is not "zomg-what-a-donk" material like others are treating it.

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