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nova_couple32
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04-27-2005, 04:10 PM
Post subject: Count outs on the flop
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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I have been reading a lot lately on counting outs and have a question regarding counting outs to hit a straight. If I have K 9 o/s and a Q 2 7 rainbow comes up.....do I count the 10's and Jacks as outs? I keep coming up with huge percentages to win and I know something is obviously wrong. I do subtract all cards that i may need to hit a flush as well but .....??? Feel free to email or IM me at nova_couple32@yahoo.com
Any info would help!!!
THANKS
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Staresy
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2004
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my maths would be .....
you need one of the 4 Js or one of the 4 Ts out of the 47 unseen cards THEN you need the "other" that didn't come on the turn, i.e. EITHER the 4 T's OR the 4 J's so....
8/47 * 4/46 = 1.4%
and, yes, this may be even lower if the T and the J that come are of the same suit.
however, I wouldn't necessarily need to know this because I would almost certainly just fold!
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: St. Louis
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If you're new to this, I'd suggest only counting outs to a made hand. Some people consider a backdoor flush as 1 out or a backdoor straight as 0.56725 outs. Whatever. If you're relatively new to the game and you're chasing those hands then you're losing money.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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nova_couple32
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Thanks for the info.......I appreciate it! And I would most certainly fold that crap....LOL.
THANKS AGAIN
NC
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ekillian
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2005
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If you need running cards, then those aren't what i'd consider outs. I consider them to be something different entirely. An out is a card that gives you a better hand than your opponent. On the flop described you're drawing to a draw.
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ekillian
If you need running cards, then those aren't what i'd consider outs. I consider them to be something different entirely. An out is a card that gives you a better hand than your opponent. On the flop described you're drawing to a draw.
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Or in more common parlance, hoping for a miracle.
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