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Ztech
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09-19-2009, 06:24 PM
Post subject: Correct play on flop?
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Not sure what is best play here. No real reads, on opponents, had been at table only an orbit.
Is is best to just lead out and get it in or check it to see what his action is?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($4.83)
UTG ($6)
UTG+1 ($3.86)
MP1 ($15.88)
MP2 ($3.84)
MP3 ($0.91)
CO ($2.47)
Button ($6.39)
Hero (SB) ($9.90)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , A
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.20, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.71 (All-In), 1 fold
Flop: ($3.81) K , K, 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero ??
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Warpe
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Betting may fold non-K holdings on the paired flop so I'd rather check and let him try to take it. He has less than pot behind so you're never folding here, obv.
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bigspenda73
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come on meow just stick it in
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speedcake
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just shovel, or bet/call.
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surviva316
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meh. spr is so low, it's pretty hard to do the wrong thing on this flop. prolly better off betting here without reads 'cause there are more unknowns at 10nl who are going to call with A-high and split pairs than there are who bluff with there C and D ranges. plus it protects you against the flush draw.
i like b/c'ing 1.90 here to keep his range as wide as possible (plus short stackerslove to rebluff a bet like this)
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ColdDecked
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Just shove flop. There's less than a psb behind.
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Did you just say "meow"?
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Ztech
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Originally Posted by surviva316
meh. spr is so low, it's pretty hard to do the wrong thing on this flop. prolly better off betting here without reads 'cause there are more unknowns at 10nl who are going to call with A-high and split pairs than there are who bluff with there C and D ranges. plus it protects you against the flush draw.
i like b/c'ing 1.90 here to keep his range as wide as possible (plus short stackerslove to rebluff a bet like this)
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I took this exact line, except I bet 2.10 and called the rest when he shoved. I was pretty confident I was beat though.
He flipped up KQo. meh.
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Dannyboy6
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Definately Push or bet/call.
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Arjonius
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Why fool around and not put the opponent all in? If you bet $2 or whatever, he'll push or fold. If he pushes, you can't possibly fold, so what's the point of not putting him all in in the first place? And if he's going to fold, whether you bet $2 or put him all in doesn't matter.
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surviva316
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Originally Posted by Arjonius
Why fool around and not put the opponent all in? If you bet $2 or whatever, he'll push or fold. If he pushes, you can't possibly fold, so what's the point of not putting him all in in the first place? And if he's going to fold, whether you bet $2 or put him all in doesn't matter.
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there are two answers to this: one is simply psychology, and even if villain had only 2.20 left in his stack, a bet of 1.90 a lot of times gets more calls because online players are like omg all in is scary.
the second, and much more important answer, is range manipulation. http://poker-strategy.flopturnriver....y-Articles.php
basically, if you bet 1.90, then a poker player who's only half brain-dead will be like, oh it's only 1/2 PSB, i can call with my split pair, and someone who's completely brain dead can be like "that's not even two bucks, i'll call that nickles and dimes bet with my split pair." if you shove, then they tend to be more likely to only continue with their perceived A range rather than both their A and B range. they're also more likely to feel priced into their draw (even though they're not), or feel that because more money's left behind, they still have more money to make with a draw (which they don't if you go all in).
but that's still kinda the psychology answer. maybe more importantly, is that we still give him the opportunity to make a retarded bluff. i know, there's only .80 left to bet, but you still people shove over with garbage here, figuring that your smallish bet is weakness and they can get you off your hand. so, basically, betting 1/2 pot makes it SOO much more likely to get value from his A, B, C and D ranges, whereas shoving is mainly gonna get value from his A range and sometimes from his B range.
so we keep his range as wide as possible, without giving him the correct odds to continue with draws.
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