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r8ed

04-29-2006, 05:44 AM Post subject: Correct Bet Amount

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Too many people called me preflop but they all checked. I thought about it but then checked as well and then folded the turn. Nobody had an ace or two or even a PP. I usually bet $10 here preflop but had brain lapse. Not sure if the extra $2 gets folds anyway.

For you math wizards: How much should I bet the flop to make this a profitable play long term?

I'm not being results oriented, but there must be an optimal bet size where if I'm called or raised I can let it go. I guess it can be broken down by what percentage of the time I get called.

***** Hand History for Game 4125729451 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Sat Apr 29 00:17:24 EDT 2006
Table Table 96720 (No DP) (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Gaucho44 ( $911.99)
Seat 2: BigMoneyBann ( $147.42)
Seat 3: jandje ( $201.85)
Seat 4: mau75 ( $79.11)
Seat 5: H_Rockets ( $378.20)
Seat 6: skin1935 ( $307.47)
mau75 posts small blind (1)
H_Rockets posts big blind (2)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ 9h, 7h ]
skin1935 folds.
Gaucho44 calls (2)
BigMoneyBann folds.
jandje raises (8) to 8
mau75 calls (7)
H_Rockets calls (6)
Gaucho44 calls (6)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, 2s, As ]
mau75 checks.
H_Rockets checks.
Gaucho44 checks.
jandje checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Td ]
mau75 bets (2)
H_Rockets calls (2)
Gaucho44 calls (2)
jandje folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
mau75 checks.
H_Rockets checks.
Gaucho44 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $36.10 | Rake: $1.90
Board: [ 2d 2s As Td Jc ]

Gaucho44 balance $920.04, bet $10, collected $18.05, net +$8.05 [ Ts Kh ] [ two pairs, tens and twos -- As,Ts,Td,2d,2s ]
BigMoneyBann balance $147.42, didn't bet (folded)
jandje balance $193.85, lost $8 (folded)
mau75 balance $87.16, bet $10, collected $18.05, net +$8.05 [ Tc Qs ] [ two pairs, tens and twos -- As,Tc,Td,2d,2s ]
H_Rockets balance $368.20, lost $10 [ 7d 5d ] [ a pair of twos -- As,Jc,Td,2d,2s ]

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martindcx1e

04-29-2006, 06:08 AM

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I would play this hand the same. I don't think the extra $2 PF matters very much. I'm also not very comfortable c-betting 3 opponents. It helps that you are in position, but it still scares me. If I were to bet it would be close to the size of the pot. You want them to fold right now.

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04-29-2006, 12:39 PM

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This is just hypothetical. There must be an optimal amount. If nobody has an Ace or Two then they will probably fold to almost any size bet >= 1/3. If they have an Ace or Two they call or raise and you fold.

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04-29-2006, 01:00 PM

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I think betting this flop would be pretty bad...

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04-29-2006, 01:03 PM

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For you math wizards: How much should I bet the flop to make this a profitable play long term?

Lol what's it have to do with being a math wizard? The math is very easy. It's judging how often you take down the pot that is tough.

If you bet half pot and win the pot right there 1 out of 3 times, it's a good bet. Third pot and you need to win it 1 out of 4 times. etcetera etcetera...

To be honest, I find betting with nothing in situations like this 4 handed usually isn't very good.

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04-29-2006, 03:22 PM

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Ya that situation just scares the crap out of me, so I usually just tuck my tail and hide. Do you have any other situations?

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04-29-2006, 04:39 PM

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betting the flop is probably not good here anyway

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04-29-2006, 05:40 PM

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If I am going after that hand I would put in a hefty raise on the turn, not the flop as it represents AK or AA better (would somebody with AA on that flop? Doubt it).

With that said it would take some pretty big cojones to bet at that with 4 people in the hand and nothing to fall back on if you get a call. Even one less player may push this from fold to raise on the turn for me, but as it is I would probably check this down as well.

BTW, the other benefit of checking this down is that players with a tool such as pokertracker would see the hand you raised with which may setup a call later when you have a stronger hand and put in an oversized raise pre-flop.

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04-29-2006, 07:42 PM

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04-29-2006, 09:10 PM

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Rep the A and price your hand. What do you think it's worth? Well your cards are crappy, BUT you showed aggression preflop and you have position. It's unlikely you'll draw out or win at showdown but you can use both your aggression and position to force a hard decision by your opponents and maybe win right then. To that end I make about a 3/4 pot sized bet. That's all the hand is worth to me, no matter what happens I'm through with the hand. So either I win it there or I toss my cards on another street or to a raise.

The problem is the table texture. Is this no fold'em hold 'em or do your opps have a clue? Against a bunch of calling stations toss the hand and move on. Against some thinking opps, 3/4 is about the right size to price out the flush draw and rep the TP. The question then is, do they believe you?

JMHO

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04-30-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thee One

Rep the A and price your hand.
JMHO

NO....You're telling him to C-bet into multiple opponents with position. If there were at most 2 opponents, then consider it. Check/fold. Good raise preflop though. I would do the same with those cards and position.

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04-30-2006, 07:46 PM

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Ya I don't think this is good advice. Any bet here will cost you money in the longrun. It's either bet weak and most certainly get called (which we don't want) by who knows what or bet big and be called enough times (sometimes by more than 1 person) to make this wasting $.

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