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Old 01-02-2009, 04:45 AM #51 (permalink)  
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 Do we ever take reverse implied odds into account when thinking about a cbet? Like, say we had a fr game such that stacks of those involved are
Hero(100bb)
Villain(100bb)
Card dealt to Hero []
lotsa folds...Villain calls, Hero raise 3x...some folds...villain calls
Flop :Ts:
Villain checks, Hero???

Villain is a 16/7, lets say he calls with his entire limping range. And lets say that range is the following [22+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,43s ,32s,
AJo+,KJo+,QJo]

Worse hands that call: 33-55, 77-88,
combos = 30

Better hands that call/raise: 22, 66, TT, ATs, KTs, QTs,
combos = 30

So theoretically, we are mixed about cbetting. (ignoring better hands that fold like JT and T9 because it is unknown weather they call or fold)

In this kind of scenario, would we lean towards cbetting simply because there are many cards that could come that improve the equity of villain's range? And how much would this affect it? As in, if we were leaning towards checking instead of cbetting, would this factor be enough to push us towards cbetting in that instance as well? Im leaning towards yes but i dont know how much of a factor it really has
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:19 AM     Post subject: Re: Continuation Betting Revisited #52 (permalink)  
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The flop comes A 9 7 . Here are some things to ask yourself:

1. What hands are you c-betting?
AJ+, 99, 77 nut FD

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2. How much are you c-betting?
3/4 - 4/5. If the flop was A 9 2 I'd c-bet closer to 1/2 - 2/3 and make AJ c/c instead of c-bet... if not AJ then def. AT and lower I c/c.

Prolly re-evaluate this whole thing after I got around the calculating combinations stuff.

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3. What hands are you folding to a raise?
AJ, AQ (sans FD)


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Bet: AK(12), AQ(12), AJ(12), KsQs(1), 77(3), 99(3), TT(6), JJ(6), QQ(6), KK(6), 67 total
Check/fold: KQ(15), 66(6), 88(6), 27 total
Bet/fold: TT(6), JJ(6), QQ(3), AJ(8), 23 total

What do we think about this?
I think betting 99-KK is bad, mmmkay. I c/c one street hoping to catch a bluff and play some poker. I generally don't like turning hands of some value into a bluff, although now I'm thinking there are a couple of situations where it makes sense, but not right there on a c-bet. You can still probably get the same amount of value on the turn and river with KK, QQ vs lower pairs... you're only loosing value against draws and you're in terrible shape against Ax.
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:03 PM #53 (permalink)  
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You just sound uncomfortable with not cbetting. How often do you not cbet hands that will likely win at showdown?
I don't know if I understand your question properly, but if I raised out/opened, I rarely don't c-bet unless facing a c-bet from villian.

Obviously from your question, this seems inappropriate.

As towards comfort, I'm not comfortable with a lot so far.
Yah, that's my point. You really need to cut back on your cbetting.
I'll look for docs on c-betting and posts on it.

So what you are saying is that c-betting to build the pot when you are ahead is incorrect?

I may also be using the term c-betting incorrectly, so that might be part of my problem in understanding it... but if I lead out I am betting most any flop for a number of reasons... those reasons are as follows:

1) When leading into a flop where I miss, I bet to win the pot right there, possibly forcing a better hand to fold.
2) When leading into a flop where I hit, I usually lead a bit less to build a pot... though this is not always the case.
3) I lead into pots looking for information.

As I said, I'll need to do more research on betting into the flop to see where I'm making my errors or the errors in my logic.
 
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Old 01-02-2009, 02:12 PM #54 (permalink)  
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Well, you need to be ahead and be able to have worse hands call you.
If you can get enough better hands to fold, or worse hands to call then you should cbet. That's really the core idea.

So for KK on an Axx flop, if they have an ace they'll always call, and if they have pairs under KK, they'll likely fold making it check instead of a bet. Now, if the flop has sufficient number of draws on it where they could have like a pair and a gut shot or a pair + fd, we can bet KK for some value.

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