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Tasha
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07-22-2010, 04:22 PM
Post subject: Continuation bet on pocket pairs
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Flush
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Suppose you have QQ on a board of AK4.
Do you c-bet the flop or not?
I've seen opinions that say you don't because it might make opponents fold, but is that right?
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philly and the phanatics
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Originally Posted by Tasha
Suppose you have QQ on a board of AK4.
Do you c-bet the flop or not?
I've seen opinions that say you don't because it might make opponents fold, but is that right?
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do you think kq kj and kt will fold if you bet? if so then do it, if nothing better is folding and nothing worse is calling then dont do it
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Suppose you have QQ on a board of AK4.
Do you c-bet the flop or not?
I've seen opinions that say you don't because it might make opponents fold, but is that right?
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if worse hands are calling or better is folding (the latter is rarely true against many of my opponents)
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Icanhastreebet
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It depends.
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StarGrinder
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Villain dependent on their range. I'm more willing to cbet a nit w/ QQ on AKx than I am a fish because nits don't call pre with rag Aces or Kings, but fish certainly do.
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surviva316
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ce-109250.html
however, notice how many premises are outlined before reaching the conclusion, so IA is also obv. right with the "it depends" answer
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daven
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sometimes, it depends
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Tasha
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sometimes, it depends
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Well I'm glad I cleared that up. 
I suppose it is fair enough. It is too easy to slip into a frame of mind where you are looking for an exact formula to tell you what to do and often that just doesn't exist.
Back to the studying...
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StarGrinder
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Well I'm glad I cleared that up.
It is too easy to slip into a frame of mind where you are looking for an exact formula to tell you what to do and often that just doesn't exist. |
But that's the thing. It doesn't exist and until poker is a game where everyone's cards are played face up, it will remain that way. There's no "How To" manual on how to play poker and this is a recurring problem with beginners. Everyone wants to know how to do this and how to do that when you should be asking "why" instead. Everyone wants a quick fix to make money. Well poker is not a get rich quick scheme. No offense to you Tasha, because this is directed at every noob past, present and future that comes in here and asks a question like this. Personally, I've found the best way to learn anything is to put in the work, find out for yourself. Because if you don't, you'll never ask the right questions. / rant
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Icanhastreebet
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Originally Posted by StarGrinder
But that's the thing. It doesn't exist and until poker is a game where everyone's cards are played face up, it will remain that way. There's no "How To" manual on how to play poker and this is a recurring problem with beginners. Everyone wants to know how to do this and how to do that when you should be asking "why" instead. Everyone wants a quick fix to make money. Well poker is not a get rich quick scheme. No offense to you Tasha, because this is directed at every noob past, present and future that comes in here and asks a question like this. Personally, I've found the best way to learn anything is to put in the work, find out for yourself. Because if you don't, you'll never ask the right questions. / rant
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I really like this post O:
Regards to the thread, it's going to be almost always good to try and get to showdown(sometimes you can get 1 street of value out of worst on the river or w/e) but if you opponent has a lot of junk in his range but is too weak to get a K for value when checked to(We are OOP obv) then c/c 1/give up is probably good. If he has a range of SCs/PPs/Ax/Kx and bets all of that and 2barrels some % it is probably best to c-bet yourself to get him to fold PPs/SCs(This needs to work X/X+pot% to be profitable but if your going to c/c, c/f your going to end up losing a fucking shitload of money but c-betting v this type of player is actually going to show a profit and keep you out of difficult spots.
If you are IP trying to get to showdown is going to be correct against almost everyone unless once again they are leading the turn when you check back and the river when you call the turn w/ a balanced range and putting you in loads of tough spots. Checking back and calling 1 v someone w/ a decent bluffing frequency is going to be correct but calling 2 is often going to be incorrect. It's going to be rare to find someone is going to be leading twice once you check back the flop though. Versus this opponent though you should just c-bet yourself unless this same guy is c/ring a lot or w/e
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D_Fray
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I say bet small after the flop and and c what you get, you kno if someone raise, you should fold. and if they call then check on the turn.
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I say bet small after the flop and and c what you get, you kno if someone raise, you should fold. and if they call then check on the turn.
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This is horrible advice on so many different levels.
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D_Fray
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LMFAO thanks i try. i guess i wont b giving 2 much advice then. but its really what i would do.
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StarGrinder
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Do you even understand why it's bad advice? You're more than welcome to give your opinions here, ldo, but give reasoning to why.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D_Fray
I say bet small after the flop and and c what you get, you kno if someone raise, you should fold. and if they call then check on the turn.
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D_Fray
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Gotcha
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Icanhastreebet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D_Fray
I say bet small after the flop and and c what you get, you kno if someone raise, you should fold. and if they call then check on the turn.
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No, this is wrong, quick explanation why. LOOK UP LIKE 5POSTS KTHX. I was actually going to explain why but realized I already made a detailed explanation on numerous villain times and being OOP or IP v these numerous villain types so yeah bai.
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jaytoi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D_Fray
I say bet small after the flop and and c what you get, you kno if someone raise, you should fold. and if they call then check on the turn.
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If you ever follow such a specific formula you're going to be the most exploitable player on the planet and anyone with a brain will bluff u off anything. Stop trying to create a general play for a general situation and play each hand as you see fit given board, ranges and tendencies, not some standardised play. What if the flop had 3 hearts and you have no heart/ the flop comes AKQ? We are talking AKx boards here, rofl
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Im ready this time.
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Tasha
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Thanks for the input guys, it is all certainly something to think about. Well, mostly, anyway.
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FTR Bad Beat
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Two Pair
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No don't cbet that unless you're willing to put all your chips in because you will face a reraise.
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philly and the phanatics
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FTR Bad Beat
No don't cbet that unless you're willing to put all your chips in because you will face a reraise.
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this guy is a level right, all his posts are the same troll shit
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Keith
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I think it must have been a freeroll he was trying to be an active valued member for.
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