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taipan168
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12-10-2006, 11:40 PM
Post subject: Completing with ATC in the SB after limpers?
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In general, is it a standard move or is it a leak to complete the SB with any two cards after 2-3 limpers? Say at 25NL, two players in front limp, assuming the BB checks rather than raises, there is $0.85 in the pot and it is 15c to complete. Getting 5.7 to 1 on the call, do you complete here every time and play the implied odds to hit two pair or better?
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sejje
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I don't play any two there, but I play pretty darn close to it.
Any connectors or better, pretty much.
I despise hands like J2, 93, etc. I don't play the real trash, no, even with those odds. Reason? It's easy to play a small pot with a crap top pair and lose. You can't really play a big pot, because the pot is starting so small it's difficult unless your opponent has you beat.
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zook
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I complete with a lot in this situation... offsuit: any ace, K9+, connectors and gappers... suited: aces, kings, queens, connectors, gappers and two-gappers. But from discussing with other FTRers, I have a feeling I'm on the loose side from the SB.
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bigred
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i complete with suited cards or some kind of connector. I'm probably looser on the button than I am in SB though. I like position.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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benny999
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The sb is the hardest to play post flop. It doesn't matter if you have pot odds if you consistently get into tough spots out of position as the pot gets bigger.
I put more consideration to reads, and stack sizes of the fish (and fewer short stacks), to figure how wide a range to play.
But I do play quite a few hands, probably even too much especially limping in instead of raising...still experimenting with all this.
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donkbee
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WELP
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position = yay
whenever i'm tempted to complete with crap in the sb, i remember renton saying to "fold weak offsuit" hands and then i end up folding a lot of garbage.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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swiggidy
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If you're at a tighter post-flop table I'll complete a lot. If people like to contest pots I fold the SB a lot.
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Lukie
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If you really want to play complete garbage in a multiway limped pot, it's much better doing it on the button then the SB.
playing trash from the SB sucks, basically.
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mcatdog
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I'm used to folding junk from the small blind in a normal game, but what about a game like the 2-3 NL game on Bodog where the small blind is more than half of the big blind and you're often literally getting 15:1 or better to see the flop? When I played that game I found myself completing with some truly terrible hands and I'm not sure whether it was worth it or not.
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